Egyptian University professor - THE GOAL OF ISLAM IS NOT JUSTICE BUT TO ESTABLISH SERVITUDE TO ALLAH

Al-Azhar University Professor Muhammad Anwar Al-Bayoumi said that the goal in establishing an Islamic state was "to establish servitude to Allah throughout the land," rather than the implementation of justice and equality, as the Al-Rafidein TV interviewer had suggested. Al-Bayoumi further said that "contemporary, modern humanity has not produced a single sound value that did not already exist in the Quran and the Sunna" and that "all they did was to steal our stuff and then dress it in their own garb." According to Al-Bayoumi, the only freedom modern humanity has given people is "the freedom to be atheists and to act on their urges."
Al-Azhar Professor Muhammad Anwar Al-Bayoumi: Islam is not about justice. We do not strive to instate justice. We strive to instate Islam.
Saying that we want to establish a just state is an Americanization of Islam. No! We want to establish an Islamic state. If Islam is implemented, justice, freedom, and all those lofty values will be implemented as well. Some say: "We want to instate freedom." No! We want to instate Islam.
Host: Aren't you confusing the actual rulings with their underlying meaning?
Muhammad Anwar Al-Bayoumi: No!
Host: What is the goal behind the establishment of an Islamic state? Isn't it the implementation of justice and equality among people?
Muhammad Anwar Al-Bayoumi: No, no. The goal is to instate servitude to Allah throughout the land. That's the ultimate goal. Everything that follows is governed by that goal – freedom, moral values, social justice… All these are governed by the establishment of servitude to Allah.
A few months ago, some lunatic wrote: "[Is it conceivable that] a Muslim garbage collector goes to Paradise, whereas a [non-Muslim] scientist, who has benefited humanity so much, goes to Hell?" Someone sent me this and asked me to answer this. I told him to say just one thing: "When you become the owner of Paradise, you can let in whoever you want and reject whoever you want. But Paradise still belongs to Allah, who said that infidels shall not enter it." That's it. End of story.
Contemporary modern humanity has not produced a single sound value that did not already exist in the Quran and the Sunna. It has not produced anything new. All they did was to steal our stuff, and then dress it in their own garb.
The only freedom they gave people is the freedom to be atheists, and to act on their urges. That's it.

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Islam is not about justice he says...
Well that's not quite true.
But even if 1% of Muslims agree with him, than that's a huge problem.
Nobody wants his children to bow to Islam

 

From the founder of the largest political party in the Islamic world-

"Jihad is an obligation from Allah on every Muslim and cannot be ignored nor evaded.... It is the nature of Islam to dominate, not to be dominated, to impose its law on all nations and to extend its power to the entire planet." al-Banna

"Islam is not merely a belief, so that it is enough merely to preach it. Islam, which is a way of life, takes practical steps to organize a movement for freeing man. Other societies do not give it any opportunity to organize its followers according to its own method, and hence it is the duty of Islam to annihilate all such systems, as they are obstacles in the way of universal freedom. ...
This religion is really a universal declaration of the freedom of man from servitude to other men and from servitude to his own desires, which is also a form of human servitude; it is a declaration that sovereignty belongs to God alone and that He is the Lord of all the worlds. It means a challenge to all kinds and forms of systems which are based on the concept of the sovereignty of man; in other words, where man has usurped the Divine attribute." Qutb

 

And is the difference to the Christian fundamentalists regarding the stated goal? Somehow no difference

All religions are somehow crap!

 

"My kingdom is not of this world"
"Render unto Caesar, that which is Caesars"
"Obey all authorities instituted among men"

Only Islam dictates the form of government and law to be applied.

 

For what else were the many crusades made in the name of Jesus?


Anyway ... you are right about one point: Islam lacks secularism because Christianity had.
But that's no wonder, because most of the Islamic world was part of the Osmans Empire, and all the sub-sultans, sheiks, and the like were automatically religious leaders.
And after the end of the Ottoman Empire, we in the West also ensured that nothing changed.

 

No, the Bible describes its perfect government in Revelation: an absolute dictatorship in which any form of dissent including thoughtcrime is punished by horrible torture.

 

Egyptian University professor - THE GOAL OF ISLAM IS NOT JUSTICE BUT TO ESTABLISH SERVITUDE TO ALLAH

This is not exactly news. We've known it for centuries.

 

And the goal of Christianity is not justice but to establish servitude to YHWH.

Yet another thread for the religion forum.

 

I'm curious but slighty open-minded. Are you able to quote the passages you're refering to ?

 

That is the government that Jesus (aka the perfect god himself) will establish upon his return.

 

I'm asking you to quote. I may understand that you don't have time, so just writte "I don't have time".
I'm not the biggest fan of christianity, but as far as I know, until he come, Jesus asked people to involve in politics and Jehovah witness which are probably one of the christian movement which are the closest of the original christian before the church turn it in what it became refuse to serve in army or to vote. That's why the nazis deported them.

Christianity and Islam choose on some points two different path, christianity is globally very idealistic, but maybe too much idealistic to be used in a practical way, they went from "love your ennemy" to "here is the love of steel in your skull". Islam in other way was more pragmatic but fated to stay in a deep mediocrity. That's why the last countries to abolish slavery were muslims.

Communism and other movements like the republicanism during french revolution aren't better than christian fundamentalists.

 

You’d pretty much have to read everything in Revelation from 11 on. It describes the government that Jesus will establish after his return: a dictatorship with him at the head where everyone is forced to worship the dictator and any dissidence from this (including thoughtcrime) is punished by torture.

 

You mean forgivness? Those bastard Christians and they're willingness to forgive those that wrong them.

 

Let's admit it, why it does it make acceptable for this egyptian teacher to says that ?

 

Where did I say it did? I was countering the claim that Christianity doesn’t spell out a perfect form of government. It most certainly does and it isn’t anything even remotely resembling a democratic state with protected rights.

 

Both Islam and Christianity are apocalyptic religions, and both believe that the world will end and the messiah will come back, lead the army against evil evilness and everything will be good (the dictator you describe). If I'm not wrong, in both case, it's Jesus/Isha which is supposed to come back as messiah.
However, until this event, both had very different behaviour. Muhammed will start to preach peacefully but will quickly become a general and conquer lands, and as in any conquest, that cause death, slavery in the case of this epoch. Jesus will preach peacefully and ask his followers to do so.
The first christian will be rather peacefull people, until the roman emperor Constantin who will turn christianity in a state religion. At that moment christianity will become violent. Even before middle age, in late antiquity, the murder of Hypathia of Alexandria. Peacefull christianity will not disappear totally if you read about St Francis or different christian sects of middle age which will end badly, but it will clearly not managed to be relevant.
In a way, Muhammed was Jesus and Constantin reunited.

There is however huge differences between Jesus and Muhammed and the way they behaved to people. So I prefer to have a neighbour who follow the example of Jesus than Muhammed because Muhammed is much more violent than Jesus.

However, in the facts, it doesn't seems that christianity despite all the "love your neighbour" things managed to prevent his adepts to be violent. The most violent regions in the world are catholic christian (however one of the most peacefull is catholic christian too), even if muslims countries tend to be rather violent too.

If you ask me if I prefer to have a bunch of Jehovah witness as neighour of a bun of salafist, I will choose the Jehovah witness.

 

One can establish Islamic principles and laws, the way Judaic/Christian laws were established all over the world, (thanks to colonialism), but you can't perfect people's hearts and souls. Only God can do that.

In Islam, God is a father figure who rewards them with 'carnal' pleasures if they're obedient. To us, God is a Creative Force that binds together our tactile world through an interaction known as 'love'. Uniting with God and entering His world, can be achieved only with His help - but He has to be asked. When we do so, we are breaking our barrier of 'pride' which separates us from God. It has nothing to do with knowledge - or one's worldly accomplishments.

The cultural standards of Muslims were formed by Islam, the same way our modern ones have been formed by the neo pagan liberalism that has become prevalent. We have no more a right to impose our standards on him, than he has a right to impose his standards on us.

I have news for him, Judaism and Christianity came long before Islam. So who stole what from who?

The Muslims do!

 

Ignorance is bliss isn't it?

Constantine stopped the massive persecution of Christians that went on for 300 years, so why do you say Christianity became violent - or didn't Christian lives matter?

Anyway it sounds like what's going on in the world today. Assad is violent because he's killing terrorists, but the 300 Christians who are being killed in the world each day are inconsequential.

 

To stop the persecution of Christians. Your point?

 

A Prophecy as opposed to instruction.

 

As opposed to the government Muslims are instructed to establish in the present. If Jesus were to beam down to earth, THEN you would have a point relevant to our world.

 

The Arabs allowed Christians to make pilgrimages to the Holy Land, something which was important at a time when people needed divine help, not only for spiritual matters, but also for physical illnesses. When the Seljuk Turks took over they began persecuting the Christians who were still a majority, and also stopped the pilgrimages. This is why the Emperor at Constantinople asked the Pope for help.

Anyway it was the contact of the Europeans with the Greco/Roman world that civilized and changed the continent - so don't knock it.

 

So Christians aren’t supposed to be Christ-like and emulate his perfect life and perfect government?

 

I just says that christianity will start to become a violent religion at the moment Constantine made it a state religion and the example of the death of Hypathia is a good example of that violence. I never pretended that christian lives didn't matter.