Election Fraud In the California Recall – Man Arrested with a Gun, Drugs and Thousands of ballots.

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  1. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Man......Trumpers sure are sore losers, and neither Trump nor this guy had lost when they where already whining about unfairness and victimhood.

    I wish they'd man up a little.
     
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    I think it's pretty logical to conclude the US military elite didn't want to leave Afghanistan...ever. I think this is much more of a story than is being reported. I mean, it appears the US military elite disobeyed the commanders in chief from numerous presidential administrations? Really??

    Side note: Kinda also makes sense why the US media has gone so bonkers over the Afghani pullout while not saying a word about illegal immigration into the US (or refugees from Afghanistan), for examples, even though all the political events in this sentence are of great concern for most Americans...The sense I make is the US media is heavily influenced by political elites (military and G.W. Bush, for examples) and not influenced by ordinary Americans.
     
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  3. dairyair

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    Can you count?
    I said I will be president.
    I said on
    Ergo, by your great plans, I am now president. LOL.
     
  4. Ddyad

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    It makes someone wonder who or what is influencing our "political elites".

    “But whether 2014 will be a “period” or a “comma” marking the international community’s military involvement in the country will largely depend on strategic level considerations of politicians, and not purely the military metrics of an operational strategy like COIN. … When a superior conventional force has withdrawn from a protracted irregular war without achieving its initial political and strategic goals, decision makers and military planners often conceive their departure as a failure of will—military, political, national or a combination of them. After all, a war waged by a country with a superior military force is one that it was supposed to win and to win quickly. … In the case of Afghanistan, President Barack Obama also emphasized the need for determination. … However, before the President’s remarks, the communiqué from NATO and the Afghan government at the end of the Kabul International Conference on Afghanistan reflected the pivotal year of 2014 as a drawdown for ISAF. “The international community expressed its support for the president of Afghanistan’s objective that the Afghan National Security Forces (ANSF) should lead and conduct military operations in all provinces by the end of 2014.”3 It appears that the goal of the US and NATO is the withdrawal of troops, whether or not Al Qaeda is disrupted, dismantled or defeated.”
    SMALL WARS JOURNAL, Making a Sandwich in Afghanistan: How to Assess a Strategic Withdrawal from a Protracted Irregular War, By Paul Rexton Kan, February 24, 2011.
    https://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/journal/docs-temp/682-kan.pdf
     
  5. Ddyad

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    1. So, Is it your position that the Trump administration should have provided detailed instructions to the military on how to conduct a strategic withdrawal? Or not?

    2. And is it your position that Trump failed to tell the military to be sure not to leave Americans behind? Or not?

    Why is it so difficult for you to answer? ;-)
     
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    By the end of Trump’s term, nobody in the country, the military or the world took him seriously. He was obviously a dangerous, deranged, unhinged lunatic who was desperately trying anything he could to hang on to power. The recent revelations regarding his pressuring Pence to overturn the election highlight those facts. His own chief Military advisor General Milley realized that he was an unhinged idiot. He had decimated his cabinet and staffed important positions like Secretary Of Defense with unqualified boot licking lackeys. Suggesting that he had some brilliant plan to exit Afghanistan smoothly is laughable.
     
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    Just more silly unsupported partisan smears.
     
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    Newsom wins!!!!!
     
  9. Darth Gravus

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    In a landslide. The Dems came out in droves thanks to Elder.

    And now Elder is talking about running in the real election next year against Newsome.

    Some people just never understand how unpopular they ar
     
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    My position has always been, counter to your claim, is A DATE is NOT a PLAN. It likely is a goal, a time frame, as part of A plan. But it's NOT THE PLAN as you've claimed numerous times.

    I answered numerous times to your claim. A date, May 1, 2020, is NOT a Plan.
    That was all you asked or stated.
     
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  11. Ddyad

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    Still now answer.

    "1. So, Is it your position that the Trump administration should have provided detailed instructions to the military on how to conduct a strategic withdrawal? Or not?
    2. And is it your position that Trump failed to tell the military to be sure not to leave Americans behind? Or not?
    Why is it so difficult for you to answer?" ;-)

    Be brave answer those questions. We both know you really want to. ;-)
     
  12. dairyair

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    A date is not a plan as you claimed.
    And your strawman BS is pointless. Why do you insist a date is a plan?

    I made no claim as to any position of trump. So why make those claims?
     
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    I think leftists keep trashing President Trump on this because they know he would have handled it better than Biden.
     
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    In reference to the first sentence of your quoted post, I think it should be paid attention that political elites are running our country and that 'Joe Schmoe' average American has very little to do with running our country. The Bushes, the Obamas, the Bidens, the Clintons, the Cheneys, Pelosi, McConnell, the military and others are running the show...We aren't...Trump didn't run the show even though Trump was duly elected president...We don't have a democracy in America.
     
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  15. Ddyad

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    Questions are not claims:

    "Still now answer.

    "1. So, Is it your position that the Trump administration should have provided detailed instructions to the military on how to conduct a strategic withdrawal? Or not?
    2. And is it your position that Trump failed to tell the military to be sure not to leave Americans behind? Or not?
    Why is it so difficult for you to answer?" ;-)

    Be brave answer those questions. We both know you really want to." Ddy

    Too tough to answer?
     
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    Yes, that is becoming more obvious everyday. Biden has become an embarrassment for the DP.
     
  17. Ddyad

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    Democracy is impossible without free and fair elections, but the USA has always been a democratic republic - not a democracy.
    The EC and Congress have always had the legal power to nullify a presidential elections. The problem is the now fully exposed election rigging. It is becoming very difficult for ordinary Americans to ignore the inconvenient truth.

    “Since the country's colonial days, concerns of voter fraud have inspired ever-more complicated ways to cast one's ballot. Depending on where you live, you may vote tomorrow with a lever, a punch card, a marker or a touchscreen. As election scholar Andrew Gumbel notes, the U.S. has been both a "living experiment in the expansion of democratic rights" and a "world-class laboratory for vote suppression and election-stealing techniques.”
    TIME MAGAZINE, A BRIEF HISTORY OF, Ballots in America, By M.J. Stephey Monday, Nov. 03, 2008. (emphasis mine)
    http://content.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1855857,00.html

    When it comes to election rigging the USA has always been a contender for the "gold". ;-)
     
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    You're correct that the US gov't is a democratic republic...It's a republic of some sort.

    However, what makes US gov't run smoothly is the appearance that US gov't is democratic in that each state has a popular vote and, for example, Electoral College votes are given to the winner of the presidential popular vote for a state...We don't have free and fair elections (or at least, guarantees of free and fair elections).

    Sidenote: Many (including me) agreed with an investigation into the Trump campaign to see if the campaign worked with Russia to interfere in the 2016. The Trump campaign investigation was important because there was the alleged possibly of illicit Trump campaign interference and free and fair elections are of the utmost importance for a smooth running American gov't. For the same token, there was the alleged possibility of a corrupt 2020 election but no investigation into said election even though free and fair elections are of the upmost importance for smooth running American gov't.:roll:

    Milley is also alleged to usurp the powers of a president which needs to be investigated.:roll:

    The political class jumped on one worthy investigation, the Trump campaign investigation, (which turned out to be a hoax) but as of yet the political class are not jumping on the other two worthy investigations.:roll:
     
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    I am still amazed that none of the witch hunts/investigations could find anything to pin on Trump.
    We do not have to give Trump the presumption of innocence - his enemies have proven that he is innocent.

    "There are three things in the world that deserve no mercy, hypocrisy, fraud, and tyranny." Frederick William Robertson
     
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    Your question is equivalent to, Do you still beat your wife?
    My only comment about this to you was your idea of a date being a plan, is NOT a plan.

    Now you want to deflect to what my position is.
     
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    So you agree with Ddyad that a date is a plan? LOL.
     
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    He did have some kind of plan, I don't know what it was, but he had a plan even if only an outline. What I believe about President Trump is that he would have responded better to developing circumstance in the final weeks and days than Biden did. I think Biden is senile and incompetent.
     
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    IOW, if you answer the question truthfully you will be unable to defend your position.
    I feel your pain, but you should still answer. :)

    "1. So, Is it your position that the Trump administration should have provided detailed instructions to the military on how to conduct a strategic withdrawal? Or not?
    2. And is it your position that Trump failed to tell the military to be sure not to leave Americans behind? Or not?"

    Go ahead. It will only sting for second. ;-)
     
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    When a president orders the military to withdrawal by a date certain the details of a strategic withdrawal are responsibility of the military commanders. That is their job, not our civilian presidents. In this case it was Biden's job as soon as he took office. He chose to cancel the Trump withdrawal plan.

    IMO, Biden relied on bad military intelligence advice (Milley, Haspel, Burns...), but I suppose it is barely possible that he insisted on orchestrating this monumental blunder without any assistance.
     
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    No, Biden failed because he's incompetent. Even our foreign allies recognize it, America has lost their trust.
     

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