Elective twin reduction

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  1. Questerr

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    But God also has the power to make abortion procedures fail, does he not? So when abortions succeed, that is also God’s will.
     
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    Nope. Satan is the origin of death. God does not want us to take innocent life.
     
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    Except God causes death all the time. You just agreed that miscarriages are God’s will. So God is the origin of death.

    God could make every abortion fail, but instead his will is that they succeed.
     
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    Not at the hands of mankind. elective abortion is still sin in God's eyes.
     
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    So why doesn’t God make abortifacients fail? That’s within God’s power right? Clearly it’s his will that these babies die.
     
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    So why doesn't he ban wars?
     
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    The fetus IS her body, it is part of her body, it is HERS....not YOURS
     
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    Then he shouldn't have one...:)
     
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    I doubt anyone believes a woman can consent to horrific medical experiments being performed on her fetus inside her body.
    (say for example if some medical research organization offered to pay her)

    So obviously, not really her body.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    The fetus IS her body, it is part of her body, it is HERS....








    YOU have NO idea what "anyone" believes.


    Yes, a woman CAN consent to HORRIFIC ( HOW SUPER DRAMATIC!! ""HORRIFIC"") medical experiments on her fetus. Remember folks, they must be HORRIFIC LOL!


    But that only happens in someone's drug induced world of misogynistic fantasy....Surrrrre, Medical Research Companies do advertise this in order to get more funding..:roflol::roflol:




    Well, that doesn''t happen SO yes, it's still her body and YOU still have the right to YOUR body so no one can perform operations or experiments on you....but you don't mind if someone takes that right away from you ?

    We are back AGAIN

    to Anti-choicers NEVER ANSWERING THIS QUESTON:


    IF a woman's body isn't hers, if her fetus isn't hers


    WHO DO THEY BELONG TO...??????????



    Who is responsible for them ?


    NO ANTI-CHOICER HAS EVER ANSWERED THAT.....funny how they can shoot off their mouths only up to the point when FACTS slap them in their faces :)
     
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  11. Junkieturtle

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    You can't talk about what's inside a woman's body without talking about the woman's body. Surely you know this.
     
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    No she's not. There is no someone else. There is not more than one individual until the mother gives birth. If you only have one individual, you have a someone but you don't have any
    "else's".
     
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    Is this because you believe the fetus is just an inanimate blob of meaningless tissue, or because you believe the fetus constitutes part of the same individual as the mother?
     
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    It's because it isn't BORN yet so has NO rights....it is NOT a "someone" until birth...
     
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    Yes, but I would hardly call it a direct connection. What happens to the fetus's body is not the same thing that happens to the woman's body. (If that were the case, women who got abortions would be considered suicidal)
    There will be an effect on the woman's body depending whether the fetus lives or dies, to be sure, but we should take care to quantify what that effect really is and look at it in the proper context.
    A lot of what happens if the fetus died would happen anyway (when the fetus eventually leaves), so we're just talking about changing the timeframe a little.
     
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    Yet you believe the woman has rights over it.

    Think about what you are saying. It has zero rights but the woman's rights are horrendously violated if something happens to it.

    That sounds like a totally radical Pro-Woman ideology.
     
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    Gee, I'm not surprised you hate something that's pro-woman!!!


    Yes, the fetus has zero rights....that doesn't mean you can assault the woman it's in...what a totally illogical screwed up way to think...
     
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    The latter. A fetus is certainly not inanimate, but being animate is not a threshold that makes one deserving of rights. Otherwise every living thing would have them.
     
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    What happens to one part of the woman's body does not need a direct connection to every other part of her body. If you get shot in the arm, you didn't get shot everywhere all at once. The actions are localized and affect that region of your body. What happens to a fetus inside a woman will affect that area of her body in a variety of ways. You can't separate the two for semantic purposes only when they are interconnected and the fetus is dependent upon that connection for everything required for it's survival and existence.
     
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