Electoral College - final count Predictions?

In order for your argument to be true this would need to have happened in every county trump won. Is this really your argument?

 

I think as many as 12 potentially. Some will look to profit, some will want notoriety ... "L"osers all ...

 

Our presidential election is made up of 50 different state elections held on the same day. Actually 51 counting D.C. Trump won more states. Granted if one huge mass election and not 51 smaller state elections, Clinton would have ended up as president. But this isn't a historical first. It was in fact the fourth time this has happened. Being we are the United States, a union of the several states and not one gigantic mass, I have no problems with it.

For those who do, there is a way to change it. It is called a constitutional amendment. There have been 26 of those, so changing it via the amendment process wouldn't be a first either. I will admit states don't mean what they use to, today they are basically just boundary lines on a map with the federal government being all powerful. Since I was born, the states have lost a lot of their power to the central government. I was born right after WWII. So perhaps it is time for a change, at least a long honest discussion about it.

 

Oh, rest assured, Andrew Jackson is still among us, but he's reincarnated.

 

Interesting and probably correct. According to the exit polls, CNN in particular.
Whites non-college men went to Trump 71-23 with 6% voting third party
Whites college graduated men went to Trump 53-29 with 8% voting third party
Whites non-college women went to Trump 61-34 with 5% voting third party
Whites college graduated women Trump lost to Clinton 44-51 with 5% voting third party

White went to Trump 57-37 with 6% voting third party, Romney won whites in 2012 59-39 2% voting third party. Trump did worst among white voters than Romney.
Blacks went to Clinton 89-8 with 3% voting third party, Obama won blacks 93-6 with 1% voting third party. Clinton did worst, Trump two points better than Romney.
Hispanics went to Clinton 66-28 with 6% voting third party, Obama won Hispanics 71-27 with 2% voting third party. Once again Clinton did worst and Trump improved on Romney by a point.
Asian, Went to Clinton 65-27 with 8% voting third party, Obama won Asian's 73-26 with 1% voting third party. That's an 8 point drop for Clinton while Trump increased by one and so it goes basically across the board.

But the one that really stands out is union households, a group Obama won 58-40 with 2% voting third party. Clinton did win the union household vote, but by a 51-42 margin with 7% voting third party. That is a drop from winning by 18 to 9 which probably made the difference in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. I would say ignoring the fears of the white working class, the blue collar worker cost Hillary those three states.

One thing I noticed looking at all the voting groups is Trump gain a point or two on Romney pretty much across the board. But Clinton fell five, six, seven points behind Obama. Perhaps this election was decided by those third party voters which rose from less than two million to close to 8 million this year. Their refusal to make a choice between Clinton and Trump.

 

Clinton's failure to take a significantly greater share of the woman's vote than Obama had was a problem.

Trump pandered to White males without college degrees, and Clinton largely ignored their plight to her peril, but another demographic, Evangelicals, largely supporting Trump underscores their agenda being political rather than faith-based as they had long falsely claimed - and as some dissenting Evangelicals have noted. Most normally vote Republican, but if there were ever a GOP candidate they would be eager not to vote for, it was Trump. Clinton didn't exploit the opportunity.

Trump went after their votes and, as in the case of White males without college degrees, Clinton failed to.

 

On the total woman's vote, Clinton won them 54-41 with 5% voting third party. Obama won them in 2012 55-44, not much difference in the numbers. That is using CNN exit poll numbers. Trump did increase the male portion, he won them 52-41 with 7% voting third party, Romney won them 52-45. Perhaps I should say Clinton fell 4 points off Obama while Trump matched Romney. These are national numbers, they are sure to vary from state to state. But the trend of Trump doing a point or two better than Romney while Clinton drops 2 or 3 is also shown here. On average I mean.

Evangelicals, I never expected them to vote for Clinton. Ever since the moral majority, the religious right, they tied themselves to the Republican Party and became part of that party. They really aren't free agents anymore. I would classify them as just another special interest group within the GOP. But then again, those Evangelicals who put stopping abortions, making abortions illegal would vote for Trump or anyone else over any Democrat. They view the Democratic Party responsible for all abortions and having Clinton appoint a SCOTUS justice or two or perhaps as many as three, that one issue would drive most of them away from Clinton. It was abortion that spawned the moral majority and other religious groups that tied themselves to the Republican Party.

 

Some have blamed a percentage of women, confident that Clinton would win and taking the opportunity to go the idealistic route and vote third-party, for a drop in expected support, but, if so, I don't think that it would have made any difference in the determinative states.

A spot-on assessment.

Despite Trump's moral repugnance, it's now clear that Evangelicals are largely a one-issue partisan faction. They crave absolute, State control of wombs - politicians dictating rather than allowing Americans to privately decide for themselves in consultation with their medical and spiritual advisers.

It'll be interesting how far they'll get in imposing their draconian agenda upon the nation.

Perchance, they'll push through their variation on the XVIII Amendment? If so, comparable hijinks will ensue.

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Abortion is still a hot issue for them. It isn't just abortion either. Most of these evangelicals view the Democratic Party as attacking their religious rights and religion. Trying to force atheism on them. They view the Democrats as being responsible for taking pray out of schools, for the removal of Christmas scenes from city halls and public places. For even saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas, all attacks on their religion and the Democratic Party is to blame. For many, the Democrats represent the anti-christ. They see the Democrats promoting Islam over Christianity. there is much, much more, but you can get the picture.

The morals or religion of the candidates are immaterial.

 

Highlighted, the only vote that counts 306-232. We have a Dem elector here in Colorado that refuses to vote for Clinton, so there you go.

 

Paranoia is not uncommon amongst zealots, many of whom fantasize that the state's neutrality in religious matters is a plot against them.

 

The token gesture of independence is commonplace. There was one faithless elector each year in 1948, 1956, 1960, 1968, 1972, 1976, 1988, 2000 and 2004.

It's a reminder that the Founding Fathers were wary of mob rule and provided for a safeguard against it.

It also a caution against hubris and tyranny, much as in a triumphal procession in republican Rome, a slave stood in the chariot behind the honoured victor, held a garland of laurel over his head, and repeatedly whispered into his ear "All glory is fleeting. All glory is fleeting." Even a consummate rabble rouser cannot rely on the unwashed masses alone, no matter how wee wee'd he can get them.


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That is exactly how they look at it.

 

Trump 308 Hillary 230.

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Although my prediction may be wrong, I was not afraid to post it. Do you have an actual prediction?

 

Trump is now officially the 45th President of the United States. I think it's time for the left to halt all these silly games and support the 45th Commander In Chief.

 

Always amusing to see something so transparently & mind numbingly stupid debunked within days.

 

Too bad...

... dey lost...

... so sad.

 

Everything they try blows up in their faces. This is destroying the dems and is quite amusing.

 

Nearly a quarter of the 1,247 young people aged 18-35 who were polled preferred a life-extinguishing meteor over either presidential candidate.

 

Hope.
Yes I do
I hope someones who opposes the Electoral College would study up a bit on the history of geographical representation as well as popular representation in our Constitution.
Hint: Connecticut Compromise.

To believe a popular vote is representative of the whole with respect to the minority is, wrong.
Witness the urban Gun Control advocates to rural folks.
Gun control might best be a County decision. Chew on that a bit, whydon'tchya

If I were to criticize the Electoral College, it would be over the "winner take all" assignment in the Greatest State of California whose total electors are beyond the next largest States. In California, more people voted for Romney in '12 with no California electoral representation than the total vote of many States.
Moi would wish California's electors be assigned County by County, or Congressional district, regarding who won the Presidential vote.
If not by county or district, then a percent of the popular vote. But, I like the county/district idea better.


Moi

r > g

Stop Creeping ism​

 

I love this picture:

 

The Electoral College system is an indication of a Republic.

 

Trump wins most of the Counties. Trump lost Oregon, but won about 95% of the counties in the state.

 

It really doesnt matter diebold is rigging the voting machines eitherway.

 

if you realy want to count all votes as accurate as possible they would line up all voters for one candidate and rope them in adesignated counting space then snap an ariel photo of that candidates crowd on only a POLAROID THEN VISIBLE SEE IT COME OUT OF CAMERA AND COUNT THE PEOPLE CORRALED INSIDE THEIR CANDIDATES ROPED OFF RING.. VOTING MACHINES MADE BY DIEBOLD AND OTHERS CANT BE TRUSTED