Electoral College Revolt Growing Into 'Powerful Show of Force'

Some were just totally separate Republics. There were only 13 colonies.

 

Yes and the STATES are Constitutional entities as is the Federal Government and is the People.

 

Correct.

 

If you need to characterize my failure to explain it to you so that you can understand as my mistake, so be it.

If you believe that the white blue-collar males who stampeded tor the reality tv performer will ignore whether he keeps his promises to resurrect high-paying jobs in coal mining, steel production, and large-scale manufacturing, I exoect that you will discover otherwise.

 

I figured you would not understand. Sure enough, I was right.

 

I get that part. I really do. I just don't get the point of doing it that way as opposed to a popular vote. I usually talk about how things should be, not how they are.

 

Well there were certainly efforts to put both of them in a negative light, and Trump's armor was his confident and direct way of communicating. Clinton lost to Obama for similar reasons. People confuse her cautious communication with dishonesty (not that she's never dishonest, but certainly more honest than Trump). The attempts to try to make the Clinton Foundation look like a negative thing were unfair, Comey going out of his way to (albeit perhaps what he really wanted was to protect his reputation) chastise Clinton while not pursuing charges, and then later pretending to have something from Weiner's computer days before the election, the lies about Benghazi, the lies about the pizza place, the fake news from foreign nations trending on Facebook moreso than real news against Clinton, the exaggerated health threats. Trump's attempts to make ACTUALLY fake news favorable towards him seem legit (National Enquirer, for example) while questioning some of the more legit (albeit not unbiased) news sources. It is really quite crazy how Trump got away with calling his opponents out on the very things he is guilty of in both the primaries and against Clinton (lying Ted, who lies more than Trump? Crooked Clinton, really? Moreso than Trump U?)

Now, which attacks against Trump were unfounded?

 

Well all I can say is I learned that in my government and civics classes and other readings. It was part of the great compromise at our constitutional convention. And its not going to change.

 

Not a Trump voter or defender and attacked him myself. Does that dimish the attacks on Clinton for very founded reasons and her dishknesty throughout her career and especially in the office of SecState nope. And quite clear they were selling influence. You do know they have shut down the CI as they no longer have that influence to sell.

 

What show of force??????

 

She won 7 states, he won 45.

 

States are geographic areas with people in them. And yes, I know, their own "governments." But it's people that deserve rights, not states.

 

The US is made up of 50 sovereign states.
As such, the states have rights; one of them is to have a hand in the selection of the head of state/government.

Don't like the EC? Amend the constitution.

 

We've been over this. My question isn't what. My question isn't how. My question is why continue to do it this way - other than to benefit republicans? I assume that's why you support it.

 

My post contains the answer to your question.
The US is a federal republic of 50 sovereign states.

 

That is a statement of fact (albeit more nuanced than that, Lincoln taught us that states aren't sovereign, states really are subordinate to the federal government even if they have powers not specifically given to the federal government), not a statement of justifying why we continue to have a government like that.

 

It is both. You cannot simply ignore the fact that the 50 sovereign states that make up our federal republic have certain rights.

As for sovereignty - the states can dissolve the federal government any time 38 of them decide to do so; the federal government has no legal way to stop it.

 

Not being able to leave anytime you choose means you're not sovereign as an individual state. The states in the EU are sovereign, the states in America are subordinate. The best purpose I can see of states is decentralized power and customized laws. Choosing the leader of the federal government - I see no reason why it should be states choosing and not people.

 

I see you do not take issue with what I said, that the state are able to dissolve the federal government.
That being the case, how do the state not ultimately retain sovereignty?

Your vision of the states does not change the fact that the US is a union of 50 sovereign states, with rights held unto themselves as well as afforded to them by the Constitution. One of those rights is involvement in the selection of the head of state/government.

You -do- know you have no right to vote for President, right?

 

Everybody has a say now. That's how it should stay.

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Who says we don't have rights?

 

They are STATES and STATES elect the President. They are legal entities, they are Constitutional entities. What are you failing to understand here. And what right are you talking about, you only get to vote for your state electors at the pleasure of your state legislature, you don't have a right to vote for them.

 

It benefits the party that can go out and win the most STATES. And guess what it isn't going to change so stop......

 

What are your policy prescriptions for the white blue-collar males?

 

I am talking about rights as ethical entities, not as legal ones. To help you understand, the right believes that embryos have rights ethically, but the law generally does not. Analogously, I am saying the electoral college extends legal rights to the states that ethically belong to the people if we want to use voting to choose a president. So far you have just been repeating the letter of the law as opposed to telling me why the status quo should endure.

 

Giving the votes of some people more weight than others via electoral college should be seen to violate the equal protection clause if we assume voting is a right.