Electoral College Under Fire Again

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  1. Russell Hellein

    Russell Hellein Well-Known Member

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    The electoral college was actually intended to have a small group of elected elites chose the president, not for the public to do so. It never quite worked that way.
     
  2. JakeJ

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    The reason is because Russia has always interfered with US elections and without a doubt the Russians! Russians! Russians! created the electoral calculating that over 2 centuries later this was how they would destroy the United States. Damn those sneaky Russians.

    The Russian Empire's role in the American Revolutionary War was part of a global conflict of colonial supremacy between the Thirteen Colonies and the Kingdom of Great Britain. Prior to the onset of the war, the Russian Empire had already begun exploration along North America's west coast; and, the year following the combat's conclusion, the Eurasian empire established its first colony in Alaska. Although the Russian Empire did not directly send troops or supplies to the colonies or British Empire during the war, it responded to the Declaration of Independence, played a role in international diplomacy, and contributed to the lasting legacy of the American Revolution abroad.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_the_American_Revolution
     
  3. JakeJ

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    Nor did they want US Senators democratically elected. They did NOT want the uneducated masses ruling government. They wanted the public to select from successful men to represent them and, in a sense, think for them.
     
  4. Russell Hellein

    Russell Hellein Well-Known Member

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    US Senators were elected by the legislatures until the late 19th or early 20th century.
     
  5. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    And we should repeal the 17th amendment and go back to the state legislature elect the Senators as they are supposed to represent the STATES not the People.
     
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    Good point. I mean, just listen to them:

    "The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy. The phony electoral college made a laughing stock of our nation. The loser one! This election is a total sham and a travesty. We are not a democracy! Our nation is totally divided! The world is laughing at us. Our country is now in serious and unprecedented trouble...like never before

    We can't let this happen. Lets fight like hell and stop this great and disgusting injustice! We should march on Washington and stop this travesty. He lost the popular vote by a lot and won the election. We should have a revolution in this country."

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-calls-electoral-college-a-disaster-during-2012-tweetstorm/

    Uhhhh ...
     
  7. Bluesguy

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    I'll take note you are now a Trumper citing him in your post.
     
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    Because all those others are serving local areas and the office of President serves all of us and not just California and New York.
     
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    You must be fully unaware of the fact that no western democracy determines its head of government through a popular vote of the people.
     
  10. Iriemon

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    LOL, you "take note" of the funniest things.
     
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    OP, sure. Just a matter of time before EC is history. Add on all the teenager voters going to be registered once the age is lowered...and it is all Dems from there on out!

    Hide yer guns...the Dems are coming!
     
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  12. Bluesguy

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    Correct it's hilarious you are now agreeing with Trump.
     
  13. Iriemon

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    It's hilarious that you'd think that.
     
  14. Bluesguy

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    The Constitution does not require your state to allow you to even vote on the electors from your state, the legislature could select them.
     
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    So you disagree with him about the Electoral College, well then why did you post his quote?
     
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    I keep trying to tell people this -- it's like they don't want to understand.
     
  17. Bluesguy

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    The EC is one of the more brilliant inventions of our Constitution. Imagine if we had a national popular vote and some county up in New York has a close election and someone claims fraud and it goes to court and a federal judge issues an order to stay the ENTIRE NATIONAL ELECTION until the lawsuit can be adjudicated and of course then that has to appealed and then revisited and then make it's way to the SCOTUS and in the meantime someone else files a lawsuit and on and on. And if it IS a national popular vote then the voting becomes a FEDERAL function under FEDERAL rules and regulations and the FEDERAL government would have to oversee and conduct the election else someone in some state would file a lawsuit about equal representation and voting rights. And if anyone can screw up something it's the FEDERAL government.
     
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    And, with no winner declared by the time the current President's term runs out, the speaker of the house would take over and the election would not matter.
     
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    But it is related simply because the founders did not want to share power with anyone who was not of their class and stature be it slaves, natives or the poor white trash that filled each state as they grew in population. The idea of a democracy scared the elites so badly that they wrote it out of the constitution with one exception, the House. Yet here we are with a fixed number of house members set in stone decades ago when each congress critter represented a fraction of what they do today. Let there be no mistake, our nation was not founded upon the principle of democracy and the powers that be have been fighting to deny all of us the right to vote since our inception. It was only through changes in state eligibility laws that allowed most whites the chance to vote. Blacks just got their rights returned in the 60's. The EC is an abomination, it rewards one citizen far greater power than another citizen merely because of the state they live in. And because the constitution is very difficult to amend especially if an amendment takes power from smaller states, this lawsuit may be the only remedy for those of us, American citizens, that demand equal protection under the law.
     
  20. Bluesguy

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    And we were on the verge of that happening in Florida 2000. Had not the SCOTUS stepped in and stopped all the nonsense the Florida legislature was prepared to choose a slate of electors and submit them to the Congress for certification.
     

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