Electric-Car Owners Hard Hit by Massive California Power Shutdown

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  1. Spim

    Spim Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We went through a bad phase with wind only coverage having to use citizens in Florida which is the equivalent of AIUA, or go surplus markets. Fortunately for the vast vast majority that problem has gone away, private companies have stepped up to offer combo policies again for a number of years now.

    I assume you've shopped around but if you haven't it might be a good idea to look for a combo policy again. I have a relative that's up in Orange Beach and they used to be with the state plan but now they're with a private company again, travelers I think.
     
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  2. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'm in a private plan, have been for a long time but still ridiculous what we pay compared to flood insurance and places north of I-10, there's been LOTS more wind damage in North AL than the coast since Ivan and Katrina.
     
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    Lol... Well, my world is the US and she knows way better than you what is going on here.
     
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    How exactly? From reading fake news in Australia.
     
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    Spim Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    jeez, that's like the worst deal ever!
     
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    It is. But conservation, skylights for daytime and being real careful about my usage my level pay plan is about $50 a month.
     
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    On both ends.
     
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    it's actually worse than that, once conventional plant is fired up it must be connected to the grid at full output, conventional cannot be brought up and then wait, it's a totally on or off system and it can not be modulated it's 100% or nothing.
     
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    better than me. $170 on average. with 2 people.
     
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    Spim Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    do you do wind mitigation inspections up there? ie: credit for newer roofs, clops / roof straps, shutters, secondary water resistance?

    it's quite a thing here in FL.
     
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    All these problems exist without renewables. Just one more reason to come up with a good storage method.
     
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    They have, I live in CO. My house is solar powered, 24/7/365, on top of it I sell power. My company is solar powered during daylight hours, it still needs 20% from the power company.
    I could charge 4 Teslar 3 at home with the power I produce and still sell.
    I do not own a Teslar, I do not buy 4 wheels which cost over 25K.
    I buy a tool, A to B, everything else is a waste of money, which I dislike
     
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    Not really.
    It depends on the size of your system. If you produce more than you actually need, including your batteries, which you should do, than you can sell the over production.
    I am always asked about ROI of a 28,000 investment in my house. Which I consider funny. ROI is 7 years.
    The folks who ask drive a 50k Pick, I drive a 25k Utility Van.
    What is the ROI on a 50k or more expensive Pick, probably minus 20k over the financing and use live span.
    Its a matter of choice, how you use your money, on a Pick, which gets replaced every 5 to 6 years and probably is financed. Or on something which lasts 20 years, can make money, increases the value of your house and when every bodies lights go out, you just continue to enjoy the day.
     
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    8000k is correct, installation varies. Its worth it. A good emergency generator, hooked up, with auto start, will cost the same.
    Advantage of a batterie system, when the sun goes down it switches on and you do not suck from the net.
    Nomore walking to the shed, dragging out the gen. in the middle of winter, snowing like crazy and than the sucker will not start, -25 outside.
    Disconect from the net, all that crap.
    Or with the permanent, every 3 month, start it, make sure oil is changed regular, gas is full, have the spare cans, make sure the gas gets changed every 12 month at least.
    Just klick on, on your pc, check status, maybe every 3 month, no alerts, oh well.
     
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    Far to expensive, the kwh
     
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    That is a real good question.
     
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    Oil is rather toxic, would you drink it ?
    Oil production is very dirty, oil transportation is very dirty, oil refining is very dirty, using oil for any kind of energy is very dirty, waste oil is dirty and poisen.
    What are you going to do with batts and solar cells, recycle them, what else?
     
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    Which is BS
     
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    I guess it depends on the reliability of your power. Mine has not been out over 3 hours in the 17 years I've been here.
    If you live where you may lose it for days, it seems like a small gasoline generator might have a better ROI.
     
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    It has to, other wise the line crews fixing things would get fried. Most people who just get their gens out and plug them in do not know about this problem and endanger the line crews. Its a safety feature. If you have battery back up, the system will switch you of the meter and at the same time switch you to battery or solar only. Takes about a milli second.
     
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    As I said, what is ROI worth and how it is applied. A 30k kitchen, a 50K Pick, no ROI in those, besides personal feelings, useless waste of money, which has lost 90% value in 5 to 6 years.
    Power around here is reliable, maybe 1 a month 10 minutes, in the winters 1 day or 2 day can happen.
    Could have bought a 50k Pick, what for ?
    Payed cash, 28K and have ease of mind and make some money on the side. 8 years running, trouble free.
    From -25F to 105F, running the whole farm including Greenhouse, artificial lighting, fish tanks and so on.
     
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    Why would that EV be dead or dying ? Just because the power is out ?
     
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    There is some truth to it, on older system. Todays systems can isolate each panel. One panel does not provide enough output to be a hazard, its the combination of panels.
     
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    Well there you go, that cleared a bunch up on my end :shock:
     
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    Your 30% Federal Tax credit of solar, Thermal or PVC, has nothing to do with grid or no grid.
     
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