Electric cars will waste lots and lots of water if they catch fire

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  1. Jack Hays

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    No, which is why the linked article poses a question rather than claims an answer.
     
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    Battery technology has been around for a long time. The problem is quality batteries, lightweight, long lasting, and easily charged. That problem could be solved by swapping batteries at recharge stations. Buy the vehicle and rent batteries on the road. Just pull in and swap batteries, pay, buy drinks (soft) , and drive off. It shouldn't cost too much to charge batteries. The batteries must be lightweight and portable. Just need batteries.
     
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    "Swapping batteries" is not so easy the way today's EV's are built. Regardless, you're envisioning a thoroughly unwieldy supply chain.
     
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    There are a lot of interesting energy storage systems that are starting to achieve commercial viability.

    https://www.rechargenews.com/energy...ble-at-an-unprecedented-low-price/2-1-1044755

    https://www.rechargenews.com/techno...ng-duration-thermal-energy-storage/2-1-969626

    https://www.rechargenews.com/transi...ion-with-no-raw-materials-concerns/2-1-939768

    https://www.rechargenews.com/transi...ium-metal-batteries-to-beat-li-ion/2-1-895936

    That is not even all of the possibilities either. As I mentioned in a prior post the DEMAND is driving INNOVATION and at this point in time it is too soon to pick which will be winners and which will fall by the wayside.

    However what we do know is that with this level of R&D in progress there are definitely going to be viable options to what we have now that will circumvent any potential shortages that might occur.
     
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    The business models of many Auto makers FAILED long BEFORE there were any EV's on the market so the content above is just another example of the DISINFORMATION being used by the fossil fuel cartel.


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    Sad!
     
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    republicans push outhouses, say modern plumbing wastes too much water
     
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    The Washington Free Beacon

    Proterra Bus Fire Prompts California Agency to Consider Shelving Electric Bus Fleet

    Matthew Foldi • July 23, 2021

    Excerpt:

    An electric bus manufactured by Proterra caught fire in a southern California city that is now considering taking the electric buses off the road, according to government records.

    The Foothill Transit agency, which serves the valleys surrounding Los Angeles, will decide on Friday whether costly Proterra buses purchased in the last decade are still operable. Problems cited by the agency include not only the bus that caught fire in what's described as a "thermal event," but also buses that melt in the California heat and have transmission failures. Roland Cordero, the agency's director of maintenance and vehicle technology, says the problems with the buses are exacerbated by Proterra's inability to help with repairs.

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    Proterra stocks have been dropping lately.......
     
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    WRONG again!

    From your source;

    FACTS matter!
     
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    Further from the link in #234:

    ". . . . The fire, which has not previously been reported, is one in a string of recent examples showing what can happen when electric cars are left parked in garages to charge overnight. The issue is causing mounting concern as a number of electric-vehicle makers have warned owners not to leave the cars charging unattended in certain circumstances, or sitting fully charged in garages.

    Automakers including General Motors, Audi and Hyundai have recalled electric vehicles over fire risks in recent years and have warned of the associated dangers.

    Chevrolet last year advised owners not to charge their vehicles overnight or keep their fully charged vehicles in garages. It recalled more than 60,000 of its Bolt electric vehicles over concerns about the cars spontaneously combusting while parked with full batteries or charging, after reports of five fires without prior impact damage. The company issued another recall last month covering the same vehicles after two reports of battery fires in repaired vehicles. . . . "
     
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    So what?

     
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    So . . . if owners are advised not to charge their EV's in the garage overnight, how are they to get to work in the morning?
     
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    The AVERAGE round trip commute is only 32 miles!

    YOUR link recommended NOT to FULLY charge the vehicles.

    Easy enough to set up a timer to switch off the charger.

    WHY does this NEED to be EXPLAINED?
     
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    The beat goes on.

    GM again recalls its US electric vehicles over fire threat ...
    https://www.cnn.com › business › gm-bolt-recall-fire-threat


    Jul 23, 2021 — GM is once again recalling nearly 70000 Chevrolet Bolt electric vehicles because of a risk that the battery will catch fire when the car is ..

    Federal regulators warn of risks to firefighters from ...
    https://www.nbcnews.com › business › autos › federal-r...


    Jun 20, 2021 — That's because the way that electric vehicles are powered triggers longer-burning fires when they crash and get into serious accidents. Electric ...
     
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    Average round trip commute distance is a worthless statistic because of the prevalence of trip chaining.
    A timer does nothing to alleviate fire danger.
     
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    :roflol:

    SAD that YOU had to MOVE the goalposts AGAIN!

    Thanks for CONFIRMING that you FAILED to either read and/or comprehend your own source article that STIPULATED that the fire threat was because of FULLY CHARGED vehicles.

    A timer would STOP the charging BEFORE the EV was fully charged.

    That is NOT rocket science.

    :roflol:
     
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    Doesn't matter in the slightest. You are asking EV to owners to accept degraded performance as the price of safety. I don't think you realize you've conceded the point.
    And average daily commuting distance remains a useless statistic.
     
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    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA!

    Obviously YOU have NEVER been in an EV before.

    The PERFORMANCE is superior to ICE vehicles with very few exceptions.

    It is YOU that has CONCEDED because ALL you have are ANECDOTES!

    I have provided FACTS that the NHTSA has established that EV's are SAFER than ICE vehicles when it comes to fires.

    SAD that you cannot deal with that FACTUAL reality.

    :roflol:
     
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    Write in all caps all you want. Use as many emojis as you want. Those can't make false claims true or create demand for an undesirable product.
     
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    BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA!

    What IMAGINARY "undesirable product" would that be?

    https://www.greencarreports.com/new...ng-so-far-in-2021-despite-supply-chain-issues

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    https://www.strategyand.pwc.com/de/en/electric-vehicle-sales-review-2021-q3.html

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ev-sales-continue-to-gain-ground-11627581876

    FACTS matter!

    :roflol:
     
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    Range is the worst EV drawback.
    Using Your EV Charge Card
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    Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach People keep talking about how as electric cars become cheaper, more people will use them. But what they keep ignoring is that they are totally…
     
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