Electronic Harassment is Real

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    If it not properly grounded it will not work.
     
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    How about the following Wiki page on Microwave Ovens: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_oven

    Which states: "At the 1933 Chicago World's Fair, Westinghouse demonstrated the cooking of foods between two metal plates attached to a 10 kW, 60 MHz shortwave transmitter.[3] The Westinghouse team, led by I. F. Mouromtseff, found that foods like steaks and potatoes could be cooked in minutes."
     
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    I tried grounding but it didn't seem to make much difference.
     
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    Re-read what I had said in #72, "Apparently the precursors of microwave ovens used shortwave radio for heating...." I had never suggested that 60MHz was microwave and neither were the authors of the Wiki page.
     
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    Saw this interesting video on YouTube from someone who claimed to be currently subject to electronic harassment and surveillance (Sorry, I've lost the video URL). It sounded genuine as you could hear the interference on the video camera he was using which changed according to where he was stood in the room he was filming. However one interesting point the video maker covered was how the electronic harassment system actually works. Apparently it uses two separate radio frequency sources, external to the target individual's home, which intersect and produce a standing wave interference pattern. This way they can focus in on a single target individual in his home rather than the radio frequency passing through walls and affecting neighbours as well.

    This rang a bell with me, as it corresponds with what I've observed in my own home. I have a radio frequency bug detector that covers quite a wide spectrum, i.e. from the low MHz to around 6 GHz. A successive number of lights come on depending on the signal strength received. The idea is as you get closer to the source, i.e. a concealed surveillance device or bug, the signal increases. I did a sweep of my home and found a source where all the lights lit up, however the only problem was the source was in the middle of a room and floating in the air. Obviously there was no hidden bug to be seen floating in the air but it could have been a radio frequency standing wave.

    Standing waves are interference patterns produced by two sources of exactly the same wavelength and frequency. Obviously in ordinary radio communications you don't want any interference occurring at all, it's a real nuisance. In ordinary radio communications different wavelengths and frequencies are used specifically to avoid interference occurring. So how come I appear to have radio frequency standing waves in my home?

    There is one in the middle of my study where I have my personal computer and internet connection, and another in the main bedroom inside a fitted cupboard.

    Using a RF detector as I had been using, you'd expect to pick up some stray Wifi signal from a neighbour or someone's mobile phone, etc. but you wouldn't expect that same stray signal to suddenly increase in the middle of a room or fitted cupboard turning all the lights on indicating maximum signal strength.

    Does anyone else have any opinions about this?
     
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    Standing waves are a factor involving transmission lines due to an impedance mismatch, they do occur in free space.
     
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    Do you hear that?

    Shhhh. Listen.

    Do you hear that?
     
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    My last post was a bit on the experimental side I have to admit. One thing I've noticed is that the signal appears to be coming from at least four different directions and so must involve at least four different neighbours. This is because I can completely block the signal in one direction using metal plate. Also the signal always changes direction during the middle of the night, say around 4 tp 5 am.

    This makes you think that the neighbours must be moving around and carrying a bag as they transport the harassment device between properties. The only thing I have ever seen of this is the same neighbour with a rucksack slung over his shoulder visiting my immediately adjacent neighbour. I don't know why he should need to visit my neighbour carrying a rucksack but I have seen him do this a number of times.

    A few weeks ago I was looking up the crime statistics of the area where I live. I live towards the edge of a small town. The statistics were shown in the form of a colour coded map and it looked fairly typical at first glance. The greatest density of reported crime centred around the town centre/high street and gradually got less and less the further you went from the town centre. However I looked at the part of the map where my home is situated and noticed a bright red spot. Obviously red indicates the highest crime rate recorded and it was isolated exactly around the housing development where I live. I thought for a moment that maybe my own complaints to the police about electronic harassment may have biased the statistics, however because the police accused me of having mental health issues, I hadn't made any complaints to the police about this for the passed 2 to 3 years. I looked a little closer and couldn't believe that two of the crimes reported were sexual assaults!

    Indeed one thing I've noticed over the years is that the police turn up far too regularly at the housing development where I live. Not too long ago you could see a police car turn up every month. One time they had quite a big operation going and a whole number of police cars turned up. It appeared they were attempting to arrest someone in one of the apartment blocks.

    Indeed a few months ago a new couple, who had just moved into the same apartment block, were acting up in the car park after dark apparently drunk. I looked out of the window having heard raised voices but it didn't look like much was going on. However it seems someone had called the police as a police car turned up. I looked out of the window again, wondering where the lights were coming from, and a policeman was having words with the male in the car park. I went back to bed and thought nothing of it. However a short time later there was the huge noise of a police helicopter swooping low overhead and it was obvious they were looking for someone in the in the immediate area. The noise went on for half an hour or more but I don't really have a clue what it was all about.

    Does anyone have any opinions about this?
     
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    One thing I haven't really covered in much detail is the exact timeline regarding the harassment.

    It started as long ago as 2003, or sometime around then. As the years have gone by the level of electronic harassment has gradually increased and the methods used have also gradually changed. I wasn't living in the same town as I do now, it's about 100 miles from my current location. It all started when hippies moved in next door. At the time it seemed odd that my previous neighbour was letting their home to such people, but one can't be too prejudicial. Not long after they moved in I started to hear annoying tapping sounds coming through a shared wall and on one occasion, while pressing my ear and a wine glass to the wall to amplify the sound, I clearly heard a single burst of white noise. I was also being somehow electronically buzzed last thing at night while trying to get to sleep, but it's difficult to describe the effect. At the time I made many formal complaints but completely to no avail.

    In 2004 I relocated to an apartment a short distance up the road and thought I was clear of the annoying harassment. However the harassment only got worse. There was a huge amount of noise travelling through the floor from the apartment below. At times it was almost embarrassing as you could even hear coughing and sneezing. On a couple of occasions when my neighbour's phone was ringing I accidentally went to answer my own phone thinking it was my own phone that was ringing, that's how bad the problem was. In the end I concluded that some sort of electronic amplification system was being used. This is because the neighbours below seemed to be having a problem with it as well, as on one occasion they must have hit their ceiling/my floor with a broom handle out of annoyance, and at that very same moment there was a clearly audible sound of electronic feedback (an amplification sound loop) from an amplification system. Also I noticed on several occasions while walking passed my apartment in the street below, that the sound made by my neighbours was very loud and clearly audible from the street as if the sound was somehow being artificially amplified. At the time I made many formal complaints but again to no avail.

    In 2009 I moved to my present home in a completely different part of the country and thought I'd left all this harassment behind. The peace didn't last for long however and I again started to hear annoying tapping sounds coming through a shared wall. In 2012 it became obvious that radio frequency harassment was being on a nightly basis and in 2015 they turned the volume up on the nightly RF harassment big time.

    Due to the increased levels of electronic harassment, I was even more diligent in making formal complaints, but this eventually culminated in the police accusing me of having mental health issues.
     
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    I don't think you're intelligent enough to be able to figure this out on your own. You would most likely need to hire experts, a radiofrequency consultant, a private detective, someone to covertly watch the property while you're way, if you move to a new location, to try to catch a suspect in the act.
    Unfortunately that also costs a lot of money, and may be something you can't afford.

    More than likely you could just be being paranoid. That's certainly what everyone is going to think, unless you have some sort of tangible proof. (video camera, faces of suspects)

    It's tough sharing walls with other people, there could be all sorts of different little noises coming through the walls. If you move again, maybe you should have a talk with the new neighbors before you move in, explaining the situation, trying not to sound crazy, and asking them to keep their eyes and ears out for anything suspicious.
     
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    I once got a quote over the internet from a private bug sweep company to do a sweep of my home and they quoted the slightly costly £850 to cover a semi-detached home. However I had second thoughts when I considered the following:

    1. That the persons doing the harassment may be clever enough to switch the equipment off while the sweep was taking place.
    2. That the harassment equipment may be located off-site with a neighbour anyway.
    3. It may be just as cost effective to buy the same equipment they're using and do your own sweep whenever you want to.

    I also phoned a second more local bug sweep company and while I was describing my situation I got some really strange and artificial sounding interference on the line. As I continued talking the interference got louder and louder until the line was completely cutoff. There was absolutely no doubt the interference was suspicious.

    Either the people harassing me are extremely professional persons or the interference was a clever marketing ploy from the bug sweep company themselves. I'm not sure which.
     
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    And don't take it personally if they just roll their eyes, politely close the door and hope such a neighbor doesn't move in next door.
     
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    Ive only heard of cointelpro last year. Guess they still know how to hide stuff.
     
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    COINTELPRO is a stunning example of the abuse of power that can happen if left unchecked.

    My own situation in the UK doesn't seem to be the exact same thing in that the police aren't the prime movers. Even though they're definitely playing a part in looking the other way and not taking action, another party is ultimately responsible for organising the whole thing.

    What we are talking about is influential people with money.

    As Lord Acton said, "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

    It's also possible that the equipment they're using is not government sanctioned in any way and has been either begged, borrowed or stolen. They also seem to be employing ragamuffins to do their work for them on the ground. It's also possible they're being paid cash in hand. I've seen the postman deliver flexible banknote sized packets to my neighbour that even the postman thought suspicious by the way he was flexing the package in his hand.

    My harassers are also breaking all the social distancing rules as they are still moving the harassment device around between homes during lockdown.
     
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    If I may ask, how do you know they are not practicing social distancing if you don't know who "they" are?
     
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    As I've already explained, I do know who they are. They are near neighbours on four sides.

    They appear to be following directed, team tactics and if an electronic harassment device is exchanged hands under cover of the dark, it presents an unnecessary risk of the virus spreading.

    If you think about it, the police could easily investigate the matter by intercepting and analysing communications. And yet do they bother?
     
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    I read through all the pages and don't recall seeing that mentioned. I apologize if I missed it along the way.

    I'm unclear on why the police won't help if you know who it is and how they are doing it. As you know, they are there to help with criminal matters and I'm not sure there are any laws against clandestine electronic surveillance and gaslighting. I could be wrong, but I was a LEO and never came across a case like this one. I don't mean that to mean it's not happening. I am just not sure it's risen to the level in which the police can or will get involved.
     
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    The News of the World was investigated by the police for illegal electronic surveillance and ended up shutting down.

    As for gaslighting, it's usually almost certainly illegal as it usually involves illegally entering a persons property. Also suggesting someone is mentally unstable and delusional when you know for a fact this is not the case, would count as professional misconduct and would warrant disciplinary action among the police.
     
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    Someone replied to you and suggested that you prove the police wrong by submitting to a mental health evaluation. I'm not suggesting you have a mental illness or not. I am just unclear on why you are so opposed to that as a viable option to provide PROOF that you are of sound body and mind. I understand why you find it insulting, but would you rather be insulted or constantly ignored?
     
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    How can you be certain that the police would change their minds and investigate your case once you'd "proved" that you were of sound mind?

    Also if you've already complained of electronic harassment, and you can be certain that the local mental health unit has been informed of this situation because they phoned me about it, they can use this complaint of electronic harassment as PROOF that you ARE mentally unstable. From there it's just a question of pronouncing a formal diagnosis.

    It's a Catch 22 situation.
     
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    There are no guarantees in life except taxes and death. I am trying to understand your point of view. I just don't understand your reluctance no matter the outcome. What can be worse than what you've already experienced? And, once you can prove that you are mentally stable, you have other options for getting the harassment addressed.

    OK. So-called professionals break HIPPA rules all the time. It's difficult to believe that EVERY mental health professional has been warned about your complaints. Have you contacted EVERY single one on your insurance list or however you find specialists? You could even start with your primary care physician to get recommendations to an ethical mental health professional. In the US, one can go to ANY hospital and be evaluated by a mental health counselor and/or doctor.

    I went through a very, very messy divorce and was forced to have a mental health evaluation. I didn't want to do it but I reconsidered because it was a matter of seeing my children or not. I, personally, do NOT care what I would have to do to ensure a relationship with my children so it was a no brainer for me. I did it and it came out fine (as I knew it would). That helped me gain some leverage and it didn't matter how many cops and others were dead set in believing I was the problem or had a problem.

    Again, you have nothing to lose and have more to gain in the long run.
     
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    But how do think you would have fared if you had mentioned you were a victim of electronic harassment? They could have argued you were mentally unstable.

    And that was the very point I was making.

    Another important point I could equally make is that for very many years the police did seem to be taking my complaint seriously (or at least at face value), it was just that they claimed it was not something they could investigate. It has only been in the passed few years, perhaps in response to the shear number of complaints I had made or simply just a change in policy (I think it was in actual fact the latter reason), that they then labelled me as possibly mentally unstable.

    So even if I did manage to get a clean bill of health with a mental healthcare professional, the best I could expect to achieve was to end up back to square one again, which is the police claiming they can't investigate such matters.
     
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    I am not sure if you read my post completely. I was considered "unstable" and "unfit" as a parent. I had the police chief against me so any LEO that showed up already was lead to believe that I was mentally unstable. My spouse even went to MY doctors to spread lies and I lost ALL friendships I had built over the years. I told them about my ex instigating fights while recording them which were edited as "proof" against me. I was so lost that I turned to 30 (THIRTY) churches and begged for help. They, too, all turned their backs on me. Nobody listened to me.

    Guess what? I proved them all wrong (and, in some cases, complicit) when I "passed" the mental health evaluation.

    With all due respect, I've read this entire thread and I do not see any posts in which you have even considered anyone else's input or advice. If you just want to vent about how messed up things are, you have that right. However, it's unreasonable for you to throw a question out there and then ignore anybody trying to help. It it's insincere and unfair to those that have taken the time to reply.

    The police and their opinions don't matter. For whatever reason, they are not willing to help you. You have to either keep searching for somebody that will pay attention or continue going around the same mulberry bush (which clearly isn't getting you any relief).

    Again, the police and their opinions do NOT matter. You know what your truth is and the onus is on you to find someone that WILL listen so you can get to the bottom of things. If I recall correctly, you've been having this problem for several years now. You either have to find somebody to help or accept that this is the hand you were dealt. There are no other options.
     
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    With all due respect, you claim I hadn't read and understood your post correctly, okay I'm sorry I'm not familiar with the shortened term LEO, however you have not read and understood my own post correctly having said that. In fact you even contradict yourself:

    You state, "Again, the police and their opinions do NOT matter." But if the opinions of the police do not matter then what is the point of going through the pointless charade of trying to prove to them that you are mentally fit and not delusional? Surely it's a waste of time?

    You only have to do a quick search online to discover that there is almost exactly zero help groups or professionals out there willing to take you seriously.
     

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