Elite End Game for the USA: what the destruction of our energy sector can mean

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  1. gorfias

    gorfias Well-Known Member

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    Are we in an "End Game" in the USA?

    It appears that our ruling elite want to destroy our energy sector.

    Without a sound energy policy, we cannot have a modern society. People will lose their homes, unable to keep them heated/cooled. Fuel will be too expensive for most people to commute to their jobs. Electricity and Internet for WFH? No longer an option.

    Food prices will skyrocket as you need a sound energy policy to cultivate food for a modern society.

    Starving and homeless, an impoverished people will look to government to protect and provide for them.

    And then the government will be in a position to tell them to shut up, obey, get in the pods and eat the bugs... as for the rank and file, nothing else will exist.

    Your thoughts?
     
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    That is not the end game for them, it is a transitional phase.

    The final condition for the masses will certainly be much worse, but the game is about power.

    Obey, and you will be punished less; disobey, and you will suffer their wrath; betray your fellow serfs, and you may be rewarded.

    The final condition is for the masses to live under authoritarian rule.

    I do think the intend on "thinning the herd" by double digit percentages. How that type of genocide plays out I don't know.
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's a boatload of fear you're selling. Where did you acquire so much doom and gloom information? Got a source you can link? It sounds like someone is trying to scare the buhgeezus out of us.

    More than an energy policy, we need to upgrade our electrical grids. With more new electric and hybrid cars being sold, we're stressing the system. It's not so much a lack of energy, it's an old, faulty, and in some places fragile delivery system (like Texas in Feb. 2021).

    The policy is to move away from the toxicity of fossil fuels and build more wind turbines and solar panels, and to further develop sources such as geothermal and nuclear. But if the power grids can't handle the load and deliver the juice, the energy source is moot.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not sure what govt is gonna do... its not stockpiling food either. Not ours anyway. Get ready for all the trees to be cut down by people who refuse to freeze to death...
     
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    lemmiwinx Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Green Energy hippies and enviro idiots don't realize or don't care about inflation making poor people poorer. Rich people can brush it off but it's the poorest who find their booze and cigarettes becoming unaffordable.

    Hint: Diesel fuel is at an all time high. Trucks run on diesel. Liquor and cigarettes and baby formula are 100% delivered by trucks, thus the inevitable price increase.
     
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  6. gorfias

    gorfias Well-Known Member

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    Example:
    I understand that if we cover CONUS with solar panels, we will only produce 50% of the electricity we already use. And we won't be covering Conus with solar panels, the production, support and disposal as necessary of such panels would destroy us.
     
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    Since energy production is pretty much at all time high + renewable at all time high, my thought is that you listen & swallow too much RW partisan propaganda.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That 'all time high' is still only around 10% of our needs (12% US, 11% global). Its not 'RW propaganda' to suggest renewables aint even close to cutting it yet. Its just simple math. We could, of course, use less energy... if we're OK with buttloads of people starving and freezing to death.
     
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    The lights are still on for now, but the FedGov is blocking desperately needed power plants and refineries from being built.

    That is not an accident, and it has nothing to do with climate change or green energy - it is about increasing political power through manufacturing artificial crises.

    Rationing of energy, food, and the staples of life are in your future - it's what you've been voting for.
     
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    What does WFH stand for? I wish folks would stop using abreviations so we/I know what they are talking about.
     
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    Work from home.
     
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    gorfias Well-Known Member

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    And even then, not sure where he gets the "all time high" which was while Trump was in office. It went down sharply after Brandon took over. It is inching back up, in a nation that has some 5 million illegal aliens added to our population. https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=mcrfpus2&f=m
     
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    I think you have been watching too much Faux news
     
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    Be sure to report him to the constables at the ministry of Truth for having dangerous thoughts!
     
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    You understand incorrectly, likely because you've been misled by propaganda produced by big oil.

    Most residential solar panels produce between 250 and 400 watts each per hour. That will produce about 1 kW to 4 kW. Bearing in mind the advances in the efficiency vs size ratio in the latest panels, you could power your home 24/7 all year with fewer panels. Battery storage has also become more efficient, meaning you'd need fewer, smaller batteries. Wouldn't it be nice to not have to pay your local electric company? It isn't that far off, if we keep investing in the technology.

    Then there's wind power. The output depends on the turbine's size and how fast the wind is as it goes through the rotor. An average wind turbine with a capacity of 2.5–3 MW can produce more than 6 million kWh in a year – enough for more than a thousand homes.

    I won't view your inserted video, because I can tell from the still shot that it's more Biden bashing, which is meaningless. All of this information is available on the web, but if right wing sources are all you use, you'll stay in the dark. ;-)
     
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    I'll look into it further but I'll tell you, if this stuff is as promising as you suggest, I don't think you would need the arm twisting and government subsidy to get people beating a path to engage in producing this stuff. At the moment? It appears that you do.
     
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    The Elite really want to force us to eat bugs.

    WaPo Tells Americans To Eat Bugs As They Can No Longer Afford Traditional Seasonal Dinners
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    “Consumers can already find foods like salted ants on Amazon and cricket powder protein bars in grocery stores.”

    'The Washington Post advised Americans Sunday that instead of a traditional season dinner, which now is unaffordable for a quarter of families, they should instead look to eating bugs.'

    [​IMG]

    Run energy prices through the roof, which runs inflation up, folks are short on money, and the privileged gentry who applauded the high prices claims our eating bugs is the answer.

     
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    In our divided sharing of power, a sound energy policy would require both parties to work based on the same set of facts. They don't even have to agree on the policy itself. That can be negotiated. But they at least have to be working on the basis of reality. Unfortunately, one political party OFFICIALLY is not. The political party that puts the interest of the donor class above reality. And if it's not bad enough that one political party officially abandoned any expectation of dealing with reality, the other also has too many of its members that are too afraid to lose their political positions if they start acting in accordance to what is really going on in the world.

    So yes... the odds are against us. But it's the fault of voters who don't pay attention!
     
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    It's all propaganda and lies.

    In the short term it allows them to steal billions $$ through grants and subsidies that they funnel to their donors, and the incestuous relationship carries on.

    In the long term, after they've strangled legitimate energy production and created shortages - that will create more opportunities to steal even more $$ and increase their political power through rationing and controlling resources.

    Sadly, there are untold millions of fools who believe every lie. They will be screaming the loudest when they have to do without.
     
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    It appears that I do what? Sorry, you lost me there.

    Big Oil has spent billions over the last few decades spinning the science every which way, paying shills to publish "studies" denying their culpability in a) robbing us blind by setting non-competitive prices, b) keeping most of us as ignorant as possible regarding the damage their products have been doing to our water, air, and earth, and c) making up massive amounts of negativity towards those working to get us to clean energy sources.
     
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    That appears to be the truth of it but I do want to review Sleep Monster's stats as I've certainly heard the opposite .

    Sorry, I meant you do appear to need to twist arms and pour a ton of money into green energy to get people to use it. My own family growing up got huge subsidies to put solar panels on our house. I have no idea what the ROI, including the subsidy, actually was.

    I would agree that 97% of researchers agree with those funding them.

    ITMT: to have, for instance, Gavin Newsom tell people to set their AC to 82 degrees while they are experience rolling brown outs while also vowing to outlaw gas cars by 2035 seems premature.

    Compare what is happening to gas vs EV cars to TVs in the 1990s. Someone told Rush Limbaugh that HD TV would never catch on as a 720P 40" cost around $10K. Rush asked back if TVs would ever be better than the 480i CRTs we had in the US at the time and guys says yeah. Rush says you cannot get from point A (480i CRT) to point C (where we are today, where you can get a 65" 4K for under $1K) without going through the pain of point B ($10K 720p). But we didn't outlaw CRT TV until we pretty much had market saturation on those HD TVs.

    I'd feel better about developing green technologies if they were being developed side by side with carbon based fuels, with minimal subsidies and without the attacks on carbon based fuels. If one is really worried about too much carbon, plant stuff. Instead, forests are being cleared to make for bio fuel (burning wood) to stave off freezing to death.

    EDIT: This does not look promising.
    Sleep Monster cites that solar panels can produce 1 kW to 4 kW (a day?) in optimal conditions.
    ITMT: Typical US household uses 30 kW daily. And that's before we start trying to charge up cars.
     
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    Common sense "weaning us off the tit " is done by having a EV system in place and working.. then transitioning....
    EV cars will be great when we get a practical system set up...
    BUT WE AIN'T THERE YET...
     
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    My thought is WTF are you talking about?
     
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    I'd like to disagree with everything you said. But, I can't. That's where we are headed. The process has already started.
     
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    The science of AGW/climate change is a lie.

    If you actually research the underlying data you find that CO2 does not drive temperature or climate.

    The earth has been warmer in the past, CO2 has been higher in the past.

    These facts do not support alarmism though. Ginning up fear in the masses by artificially creating a "crisis" that doesn't even exist provides the necessary mass psychology for the people to agree that "something must be done"!!!

    That "something that must be done" is open up the treasury vault doors and allow the money to flow out - completely absent any accountability.

    Also, the scared witless masses are willing to have government constraints placed on their everyday lives, i.e. they are willing to surrender their freedom.

    The climate change fraud is the perfect vehicle to enslave the masses and enrich the ruling class and their acolytes.
     
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