Elite End Game for the USA: what the destruction of our energy sector can mean

It's 2022 and we're actually at the point where Soylent Green is now a logical reality.

 

Exactly.

The only result of a non-parallel energy system is that China will be burning all of the worlds coal, oil and natural gas.

Moron environmentalists are increasing pollution and fossil fuel usage while making our enemies stronger.

 

Hint: Educate yourself on the difference between kW and kWh, before you post threads about the energy sector.

kW is a measure of the rate of energy production. A typical rooftop solar installation provides between 5 and 12 kW.

kWh is a measure of the total energy that is produced. For example, a 10 kW solar system, at full sunshine, will produce 30 kWh of energy in 3 hours.

The typical energy consumption of the average household is 26 kWh per day. That's easily achievable by rooftop solar (in fact, I have one on my roof, so I know).

Transportation and heating are the major issues. For transportation, we need to double the footprint of solar panels on a typical home, while going from 2 ton gas guzzlers to half ton EVs. Not fun, but entirely doable. All it takes is will. However, the 2 ton SUV drivers would give up their toys only over their dead bodies. Go figure....

 

Certainly hard to figure out that the watt is an hourly rating and do some simple math, but thanks for the clarification.

 

No so. Most scientific researchers are given grants to study a particular thing, rarely with any instructions from the donors other than to follow where the scientific method leads them. There are only a scant few among tens of thousand who are willing to lie for money, and the oil companies pay better than government or NGO donors.

I agree that California's energy agenda seems extreme, but extreme measures seem to have become necessary, since we've chosen to hide our heads in the sand for the last few decades about the damage we're still doing to our habitat. And asking citizens to lower their usage during rolling brownouts is fair and necessary, and only goes to prove my original point about the need to upgrade the infrastructures that deliver power.

As for the progression of new technologies, one needs to understand why the first HDTVs were so expensive, and why the prices have come down. In manufacturing, a new process always has a lot of bugs along the line, which causes a lot of defects. When you pay through the nose for the newest tech, you're paying for all of that loss as well. And the manufacturing process smoothes out, there are fewer and fewer defects, so the prices come down even as the technology improves. (BTW, did we actually outlaw tube TVs? Or did we just stop buying them?)

I disagree about the need to develop clean energy side by side with carbon based fuels. Fossil fuels are dirty, toxic, and finite. We need to move with as much haste as possible to phase them out, just like the old TVs, or VHS tapes, or CDs, etc ad infinitum.

Yes, I'm aware that households us an average of 893 kWh, or 29.xx per month, but as I said, solar panels are still being improved, just like any other technology. Same goes for wind turbines. Don't expect instant gratification.

 

Don't worry. Out REAL government and leaders (CHINA) will have PLENTY of energy and we'll be their slaves.
THANKS LEFT!
Thanks for taking our energy and shoving it down the toilet to save a tree (just so more can be cut down in other countries)
You people are the WORST

 

Which of course makes sense, as most environmentalists are of the watermelon variety...

Green on the outside, red on the inside.

Their agenda is anti-human and pure evil.

 

Yet instant gratification is what they demand.

It's why Germany did a running jump onto their faces with their green energy failures and just enriched Russia.

Instead of learning from the failures of Germany and Europe in general, we are running headlong into an even worse decision.

The west killing itself to meet ridiculous demands from technologies that are not ready to meet existing requirements, not to mention incremental demands, is incredibly stupid and dangerous.

No matter what the west does, China, India, the ME, Africa, and Russia will not be playing along. Perhaps India to some degree. They will INCREASE burning fossil fuels that will be much cheaper with the west abandoning the demand. China is building the frigging solar panels. You think they want to improve our energy capacity?

Why the **** are we cuddling up to Venezuela and drilling in countries that have zero environmental regulations and enriching ****ing dictators?

The modern left are some of the stupidest people to ever live.

 

Have you ever been to India? The air is so polluted, it makes your eyes water and your lungs ache by the end of the day. Formula 1 held a race at a track just outside of Mumbai for two years, after which the drivers and all of the crews refused to go back, so off the calendar it went. Do we want every city on the planet to smell like car exhaust?

Moot point, really. The damage to the human habitat has already been done, and the best we can do now is stem the tide as much as possible. If Russia, China, India, and other Asian and Eastern European countries don't care if we become extinct sooner rather than much later, that's on them.

The stupidest people are those who continue to deny the science. Clean energy is still in it's infancy. Fossil fuels are the proverbial tired, grouchy old grandpa who still thinks he knows everything.

 

If every 1st world nation switched to 100% "clean" energy sources tomorrow, the rest of the world, including those I listed, would burn MORE coal and fossil fuels.

The only thing we're paving the way toward is China invading whatever it wants to take, just like Europe did with Russia.

Have never been to India but I am familiar with the issues.

I'm curious though. What damage to the human habitat has already been done? You're not one of those people that believe in the "2C tipping point" are you? Exactly zero climate predictions from the last 60 years have come to pass.

If the planet didn't reach a "tipping point" when we had 4000 ppm co2 it's not going to do it now. The frickin Cambrian period saw the largest spike of life the planet ever saw.

Technology will advance normally. Technology 200 years from now we would probably mistake for magic now. 200 years is literally nothing when you're talking global changes. If humans weren't here at all the planet would still be warming from one of it's lowest points ever.

Which, of course, we won't be around to see if we keep slitting our wrists to get the "bad blood" out.

It's being pushed too far too fast and is going to end in major problems.

 

You are wasting your time trying to explain this to the climate heroes. I bet most of them don't even know what Lithium is and what a rare resource it is. Most of them don't even know that fossil fuels are needed for much of the solar panel production. They only know what the ladies on THE VIEW tell them.

 

It'll be fun pulling it up later when everyone is starving to death.

 

Forced energy austerity, rising food prices, falling real wages, deteriorating living standards, cold houses, these bastards want to force us to eat bugs.

Edible Bug Sales Projected to Spike the Same Year in Which You Will Own Nothing and Be Happy.



'There is a never-ending push from the media to soften me up to the idea I should eat bugs. The latest installment comes from the Washington Post.'

'The push by Malthusian environmentalists to return to pre-industrial, and, in this case, pre-agrarian culture, is insane.' As well as relentless.

 

It's likely you wear rose colored glasses issued by Biden & Co. Or, perhaps you relate to the ostrich in keeping one's head in the sand.

 

I'm thinking fossil fuels are infinitely less dirty than we let on and our theories on where they come from and if they are finite or not is in dispute. And as we stop using them, places like China use even more and, until green energy is a good alternative, they will have an advantage over the US manufacturing base.

I don't think we ever outlawed CRT TVs or VHS tapes. We didn't need to do so as the alternatives became superior.

Biden is telling us that Green is ALREADY superior to carbon based fuels. Were that so, we wouldn't need a gun to our face to make us "trade up".

ITMT: for arguments sake, let's say carbon fuels put too much CO2 in the air. The response should be to plant stuff. Instead Europeans are destroying forests so they can burn wood. EVs create their own kinds of ecological damage. We can do better rather than worse. But who would that profit?

 

Nothing is as simple as we often think they are.

If there's an oil source that doesn't come from dead carbon-based fauna from millions of years ago, I'd like to hear about it. Got a link?

As for finite: got a link to theories that oil is endless? I don't believe in magic. Science shows us that oil, as plentiful as it may seem, is not infinite, but sunlight and wind are. Like I said, moving to clean energy is a process. People need to stop expecting instant gratification.

 

????? Hmmmmm? We wont own anything but will still need to purchase our bug meal?

 

History teaches us that Liberalism eventually destroys everything and it will eventually consume the US as well. I would say by the current standards set by the Biden Administration, they sped that up considerably.

 

Got a link to some of that history?

 

Yes, our energy sector is turning into mush. But there are other threats: nuclear weapons are proliferating like never before and getting into the hands of zealots who are not deterred by the threat of their own death. Economic chaos looms as socialism becomes more and more acceptable. Mobs are taking over our neighborhoods from coast to coast. Police will be overwhelmed and unable to seek help from a society that doesn't support them as they traditionally have,.Our enemies are no longer held at bay gy our military superiority. Our timidity, so blatantly demonstrated in our cowardly abandonment of Afghanistan, has emboldened our enemies around the world. Its more than the disintegration of our energy sector. At worst, we will destroy ourselves. At best we will survive in a world of chaos The federal government will be too disrupted to survive except in the hearts and minds of elites hiding in their conclaves with their personal security and resources. We will be alone.

More and more people are becoming "preppers" in light of this possibility. I am one of those. My home is totally solar now... 61 panels and two large batteries. We have water purification... not just water... you can never store enough. Tools. Seeds. A library covering everything from farming to butchering to medical procedures and more. Radios. Ammunition. Barter items. Clothing. Medical supplies, including surgical, dental, medications, and more.

I have been to Iraq, Islamabad and elsewhere. I have seen how bad things can get. And to say "it can't happen here" simply reminds me of what folks from Pompeii to Shanghai to Pearl Harbor once said.

Its a great hobby if we don't need it. Its there if we do.

 

The government isn't going to kill off such a big chunk of revenue for themselves. They just want to make it more expensive so they generate more receipts off it.

 

https://www.livescience.com/9404-mysterious-origin-supply-oil.html

I don't recall how long ago I started reading we'd already reached peak oil so expect shortages and spiking prices but it has been decades. It hasn't happened yet, causing a lot of speculation: where does oil, for instance, really come from? How long does it take to happen organically? How much is there really on Earth? Will we use it up faster than it takes to make?

 

The Manhattan Contrarian Energy Storage Paper Has Arrived!
December 01, 2022/ Francis Menton

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  Today my long-awaited energy storage paper was officially published on the website of the Global Warming Policy Foundation. Here is a link.
  
  
• Most of the points made in the paper have been made previously on this blog in one form or another. However, there is a good amount of additional detail in the paper that has never appeared here. I’ll provide one example of that today, and more of same in coming days.
  
  
• The main point of the paper is that an electrical grid powered mostly by intermittent generators like wind and sun requires full backup from some source; and if that source is to be stored energy, the amounts of storage required are truly staggering. When you do the simple arithmetic to calculate the storage requirements and the likely costs, it becomes obvious that the entire project is completely impractical and unaffordable.
  
  
• The activists and politicians pushing us toward this new energy system of wind/solar/storage are either being intentionally deceptive or totally incompetent.
  

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We may not know how much oil there is in the planet, but we do know how much damage burning it has done.

 

Damage? None.
Much good? Yes.


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