Elizabeth Warren: "How could the American people want someone who lies to them?”

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  1. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    How just plain mean and unfair of you to ask. ;-)
     
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    I agree Pred!

    Reminds me of Dr. Savage (though I've ideologically diverged from him somewhat in recent years) - the "perpetually persecuted" 'black sheep' savant that he fancies himself to be, always quotes... Rabbi Hillel

    "If I am not for myself, who will be for me? If I am not for others, what am I? And if not now, when?"

    Well Trump was probably born with that self promoting gene; fortunately for us - flawed characters do rise to excel, at perfectly critical times & in perfectly particular roles. Our Nation & the world are arguably reaping the benefits of this w/ Trump in office! (imho :) )
    - if Im not mistaken, that's a Biblical paraphrase...
     
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    I know it's a waste of time like the last twenty years the Republicans have been investigating Hillary Clinton trying to hang her yet have nothing..When will the inanity stop!?
     
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    Always a chuckle when a Trump lemming accuses another of lying, it is like a Bernie Madoff defender labeling someone else a thief
     
  6. Sahba*

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    Whatever... ROTFL :)
    Ya might not want to 'hang your hat' on just that... U do know that Trump introduced a policy of examining where abuses of aid were. He cut or paused aid to a number of other nations. It is the POTUS's solemn obligation to address known corruption. - Your / the G.A.O's claim... BUBCUS!!!

    https://bongino.com/flashback-seven-times-the-gao-said-the-obama-administration-broke-federal-law/

    As Breitbart’s Joel Pollak reported, there were seven times that the GAO found the Obama administration to have broken the law:
    • The Department of Homeland Security and United States Secret Service (USSS) were found to have violated section 503 of the Consolidated Security, Disaster Assistance, and Continuing Appropriations Act, and the Antideficiency Act, in 2009 after the Secret Service reported that it had overspent on candidate protection in 2008 by $5,100,000, and used money from another program to cover the shortfall. DHS failed to notify Congress 15 days in advance of the “reprogramming.”
    • The Department of the Treasury was found to have violated the Antideficiency Act in 2014 when it used the voluntary services of four individuals. “Treasury did not appoint any of the individuals to federal employment, nor did any individual qualify as a student who may, under certain circumstances, perform voluntary service,” the GAO found, adding that there was no emergency that might have justified using the individuals to perform several months of work without receiving pay.
    • The Department of Defense was found to have violated the Department of Defense Appropriations Act of 2014 and the Antideficiency Act in the infamous Bowe Bergdahl swap, when President Barack Obama traded five high-level Taliban detainees for a U.S. Army deserter. The administration transferred the five Taliban from Guantanamo Bay without notifying relevant congressional committees 30 days in advance, as required by law. Republicans complained; Democrats were silent.
    • The Department of Housing and Urban Development was found to have violated the Financial Services and General Government Appropriations Act, the Consolidated and Further Continuing Appropriations Act, and the Antideficiency Act in 2014 when the deputy secretary of the department sent an email to “friends and colleagues” asking them to lobby the Senate in favor of a bill appropriating money to the department, and against amendments offered by Republican Senators.
    • The Environmental Protection Agency was found to have violated “publicity or propaganda and anti-lobbying provisions” in the Financial Services and General Government Appropriations Act and the Department of the Interior, Environment, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act in 2015 by using some of the department’s social media accounts in rule-making for the “Waters of the United States” (WOTUS) regulations (which have since been repealed under the Trump administration).
    • Two officials in the Department of Housing and Urban Development were found in 2016 to have violated Section 713 of the Financial Services and General Government Appropriations Act by attempting to prevent a regional director within the agency from being interviewed by the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. (Notably, the GAO reversed its earlier decision that the department’s general counsel had not violated the law once it was presented with more evidence.)
    • The Federal Maritime Commission was found to have violated Section 711 of the Consolidated Appropriations Act, as well as the Antideficiency Act, in 2016 when it failed to notify the relevant Senate and House committees that it had spent more than $5,000 to furnish and redecorate the office of its former director in 2010. (The total amount spent was $12,084 over three years, as noted by the GAO in a footnote reference to an inspector general’s report on the excessive expenditures.)
     
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    I just want someone on the left to tell me. We know Bill perjured himself and witness tampered by trying to get a prospective witness to do the same. Those were two felonies, yet Jerry Nadler didn't want Clinton removed from office. Nadler wants Trump removed from office, so I want to know what crimes with the statutes Trump committed that deserves being removed from office over Clinton's 2 FELONIES?
     
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    Why is it you can't seemed to be charged for wrong doing if your a Democrat? Have nothing on Hillary?

    Grilling Comey over Hillary's E-mails

     
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    It was the tax cuts and cuts to regulations that brought back all those good jobs Obama lost with record high corporate taxes and near record regulations. Yes, taking in less taxes from them has caused a deficit. But consider this. Almost 3/4 of a trillion of that debt went to repair our military that Obama allowed to go to hell. Fifty billion more fixed the VA hospitals where thousands of our veterans were dying waiting to get in and get good care. Another 100 billion went to fix up minority neighborhoods to make them safer and bring in business. With more and more businesses now moving in instead of out, they will be paying taxes we never got before. With the millions of new jobs created, they will be paying taxes, many didn't pay before and both will be buying and paying taxes. So if the Democrats don't scare companies away with the talk of winning and raising taxes, America should continue to grow and the deficit should go down, or hopefully not get bigger. One thing is for sure. More Americans are working now than ever before and making better wages. Our military and VA is fixed. Trump made good use of that money. How did Obama do with a 9 trillion dollar debt?
     
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    I guess we will see in four + years if Donald wins in November. My bet is that the deficit will keep ballooning, and what will your 'defence' be then?
     
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    Well do you want to compare what good the debt did for each side? I pointed out several of the big things that happened to the money Trump spent. How about how well did Obama's debt work for the country? Besides what I listed what Trump paid, this is the benefit from it.

    How does having more people working at any times in our history, having the lowest unemployment for Blacks and Hispanics, in their history and having the highest stock market in our history and the biggest wage gains sense 2007 working for you? September 8 at 5:12 AM ·

    Record 157,878,000 Employed in August
    “The number of people employed in the United States hit a record 157,878,000 in August, the 21st record set under President Donald Trump, according to the employment report released today by the Bureau of Labor Statistics,” Susan Jones reports for CNS News.
    “The unemployment rate held steady at 3.7 percent. For blacks, the unemployment rate dropped to a record low of 5.5 percent last month. And for Hispanics, the... Unemployment rate was 4.2 percent in August, which ties the record low set earlier this year.”
    Click here to read more.
    “It’s been a lost summer for the Washington Post,” White House Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham and Principal Deputy Press Secretary Hogan Gidley write in the Washington Examiner. “Despite record-setting accomplishments in record-setting time, data shows the news coverage of Trump has been 92% negative. The most egregious and dangerous forms of this bias thrived this summer at media outlets like the Washington Post, which routinely masquerade opinion as news.”

    A whopping 266,000 jobs was created in November, with 54,000 manufacturing jobs created. All the while Canada lost jobs. Economist are blown away and Biden predicting a recession.
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    Pay gains under Trump best since the Great Recession
    www.cnbc.com/2018/01/31/pay-gains-under-trumps...
    Jan 31, 2018 · Pay gains during Trump's first year in office best since the Great Recession. The Employment Cost Index, a measure of salary and benefit costs, registered a 2.6 percent gain for the full year, tied for the best since 2007. That gives President Donald Trump the best wage gains since the Great Recession, easily topping any during former President Barack Obama's entire term.
     
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    I am talking about the deficit, not jobs likely created by raiding the wallets of future generations
     
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    How soon the Left forgets. That's because your bias news only tells one side.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/13/tha...r-is-huge-but-heres-what-it-really-means.html


    President Barack Obama’s administration racked up nearly as much debt in eight years than in the entire 232-year history of the country before he took office. He entered with $10.6 trillion in total debt and left with the country owing $19.9 trillion. That’s an average tab of $1.16 trillion a year.

    Under President Donald Trump, the debt also has climbed. The $2.06 trillion increase works out to about $991 billion a year, or slightly less than the pace Obama had set.

    The Left wants to point out Trump's debt?
     
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    Politicians will exagerate or edit their tales. I don't like it, but I understand it. If you are incapable of seeing that Trump is in a completely different world of lying (including the "some people say..." "someone told me...." which are the most annoying of the lies) I don't know how to help you.
    For the record, Warren's daughter went to public school, her son went to public school until 5th grade
    Warren's father was a custodian, to call him a janitor is really not a stretch (certainly less of a stretch than Trump's completely fabricated rags to riches tale)
    Warren said that 94 percent of white's had paid their debt and only 5 percent of blacks, what she meant to say was that the amount of white debt had been reduced by 94 percent and black debt by 5 percent. If anything what she said hurt her more than what the actual data was. Her campaign clarified right after the debate
    The police officers who killed Michael Brown were declared not guilty of murder. That verdict is what the record will show. Does not stop any of us from having an opinion on it. Does not make us liars.
    As for her Indian ancestry, I really don't know. It is very common for people from Oklahoma to claim Indian ancestry. I'm pretty sure if I was told that I was part Native American, I would probably be excited about it. To then go on and claim to be Native American, even if it is just for fun, seems an uncomfortable stretch. Of course Trump with absolute full knowledge claimed Swedish ancestry so that he could sell real estate to Jews.
     
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    How about the people that voted for republicans to curtail the debt?
    Are we allowed to point out the debt that has been completely ignored?
    Also, Obama was trying to exit a recession and was only responsible for a 74% increase from Bush II who added 101%.

    If the economy is doing so well why are we spending and the fed engaging in QE like we are in a recession?
     

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