Elizabeth Warren releases sweeping student debt cancellation and free college plan

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And Trump promised Mexico would pay for the wall too. Warren can huff and puff all she wants to.
     
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    Modified to be correct.


    I think sanders would sign such a bill that taxed stole every dollar earned over 1 million per year more, why would he not?

    the tax theft used to be like 80% in the past
     
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    I quit calling them Liberals when Bill Clinton was president. We all should stop treating them to that gift that is so wrong in so many ways. Democrats constantly crave more and more laws. Look at what they did since 1950.

     
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    why do so many anti-Americans think taxes are stealing from the people.... tax cuts for the rich and mega corps are harming the people
     
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    what nonsense, every country has their ups and downs.... America will have another down period, it's inevitable

    when the rich have it all and the poor have nothing, the economy will collapse

    ever play monopoly when one player gets all the land... not much fun anymore, time to start over

    if American goes BK, another country might just take over as the primary currency, all cause people like you think rich people shoudl not pay their fair share of taxes

    Corporatism is what will eventually bring down the world
     
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    I do not condone stealing at all. But who decides on spending? Trump offers cuts but Democrats change it to added costs. They have plenty of power in the Senate even as the minority party.

    Taxes are not volunteered. They are then theft.


    I proposed the hypothetical winning of 250 million dollars in cash yet no Democrat wants to give a dime of it to Government. As the new rich they do not want to give more to Government.
     
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    the Trillion a year debt growth started under Bush jr, only things that changed were 2 10+ year wars and the Trump tax cuts for the rich.... nothing else changed..

    taxes are not theft, if you don't want to pay them.... move

    most Americans would have no issue paying a higher tax on any money earned over 1 million a year - you would really have to hate America to leave it just cause of that.. maybe Trump will move to Russia when his term is up

    and don't lie, Trump was the one that shut down the government to ADD costs, Trump wanted to spend more, not less
     
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    That is not how the economy works. For one reason mostly. Monopoly is a game. My clients that bought real estate and got rich endured a lot of pain from purchase to later sale.

    For instance, Lemma purchased a condominium from me. I got lucky and kept 100 percent of the commission. He has a very valuable property today. Lemma being a black Ph. d. From Ethiopia decided on his own to only rent to blacks. I did not want to try to change that due to his race. So he rented just to blacks. Every black that he rented to ripped him off. He called me to tell me his problems with each black renter. Still despite his losses in rent and repairs to his once pristine property, he stands to clear a million dollars in the sale of that one property.

    I believe he paid about $75,000 for the place but I can sure look up the price.
     
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    There will be no acceptance of this as a viable solution because it has been proposed by a Dem - specifically, Warren.

    How long does the US have to drop in literacy standards and educational levels world wide before people recognize the benefit of a better educated population?
     
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    Bush never had a trillion dollar deficit. How much more was paid to the Army to serve in Iraq than had they served in California? A bit more for combat duty pay, but had they served in CA for the whole time, they still cost billions of dollars. Trump gave every person paying taxes a healthy cut. Stop pretending the Feds lost much in tax cuts for the rich. Why is this? There simply are not that many rich. But the middle class that got big cuts pay for most of the Government. Why is this? We have many millions who are middle class.

    my poll is proving you to be wrong on what Americans want to pay to the Feds. Democrats in my poll refuse to hand a dime more to Government but come up with other ways to keep that money. Those are the new rich by the way.
     
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    Isn't that illegal?
     
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    the debt rose 1 trillion a year under Bush jr, he did not put all the war costs on the budget and the bush tax cuts for the rich woudl not of shown up on the spending side
     
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    yes, just like Rome, if the rich own everythign and everyone else becomes poor, you can bet the people will revolt, end monopoly game and start over

    the rich have to pay workers a decent wage and trickle down has to occur

    some on the right want to remove the min wage so employers can pay employees even less
     
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    Typically the same Democrat wanting me to move refuses to add more taxes to the lowest class people as to income.

    Tell them to take much more from the poor and suddenly then taxes are theft.
     
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    You are repeating Democrat propaganda. The debt that you blame Bush for is the budget that Obama created. Call Bush smart but the final year of his budget was not in his hands, but by agreement with Obama was the Obama deficit.

    You are actually blaming congress and not Bush to begin with.

    Bush cut taxes for every person paying taxes. Maybe you resent the money he gave to Americans who were on the low end of the totem pole. I doubt that though.
     
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    My own grandson is graduating soon and will work for the super rich. Zuckerberg is worth north of 63 billion dollars.

    Mark Zuckerberg/Net worth

    66.3 billion USD
    2019
    https://www.google.com/search?q=wea...1.69i57j0l5.6735j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    My very young grandson with just a bachelors degree will clip Zuckerberg for over $200,000 in the next 14 months. So the rich pay workers well when workers prepare well.

    My own view on minimum wages is not like yours at all. I worry about those that become out of work. I worry that part time jobs as under Obama are normal and not rare.

    My fear is the Democrats who are willing to piss off other people's money won't piss off their own. As my poll currently running proves.
     
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    Bush did not decide that but congress did. But you ignore all the supplementary budgets that paid for the war costs. Few Democrats want to proclaim the Feds do not pay their bills. So naturally the wars were in the supplemental budgets and of course this nation paid for the wars.

    But what about the Obama wars? Did he first provide money to wage a war with Libya or Syria or Yemen or did he ask for money after he waged war?
     
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    yep, Zuckerberg can afford to pay more in taxes

    most corps are shipping tech jobs to India, the good paying tech jobs are coming to an end sadly - cheap labor... most mega corps today are greedy - my fear is republicans will let the corporations rule the world, make America another 3rd world labor market for the rich - not sure why so many on the right hate the working class
     
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    I truly do not know what you question the legality of.

    Lemma my client took losses. But overall he gets gains. He only rented to blacks. Is that what you call illegal?

    Some of that is the area he purchased in when I sold it to him was a white area with a few blacks. That is not true today. Today few whites will live there.
     
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    I'm pretty sure it's illegal to racially discriminate against renters.
     
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    We are talking of the rich being so greedy they refuse to pay even kids a huge income.

    Greed is a lousy word to use in economics. I do not recall any of my economics courses using that word.
     
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    Corporatism is ruining the world, it means corps are not happy just being profitable, they have to be MORE profitable then the year before

    this is why the first year the Trump tax cuts trickled down and this year almost no corps offered tax cut bonuses, the corps still get those tax cuts, just now they are no longer "extra" to them, so they do not any longer want to trickle down, people said this woudl happen, Trump did not listen
     
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    I get it. I believe so few whites will now live there is why he collects only blacks. My seller who paid me 6 percent on the sale of $75,000 had personal reasons to sell it but they had only white renters at the time. Lemma simply rented it to blacks. I did not accuse him of discrimination.
     
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    yeah, I am not buying the story
     
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    I have defeated that argument so many times I truly loathe having to plow the same field yet more times.

    Why not actually study corporate profits first to then come up with facts.

    What is the average corporate profit margin?
    According to this Yahoo!Finance database for 212 different industries, the average profit margin for the most recent quarter was 7.5% and the median profit margin was 6.5% (see chart above).Apr 2, 2015

    https://www.google.com/search?q=typ...ome..69i57.12310j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
     

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