Elizabeth Warren's DNA test says there was a Native American ancestor 6 -10 generations ago....

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  1. Pollycy

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    Elizabeth Warren's DNA test says there was a Native American ancestor 6 -10 generations ago....

    Link: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/wa...merican-heritage-firing-back-at-trump-attacks
    https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/po...rican-issue/YEUaGzsefB0gPBe2AbmSVO/story.html

    Six to ten generations ago? And she used THAT to leverage all the advantages of being a "minority"?

    "The Boston Herald reported that Warren had previously been touted in the 1990s by officials at Harvard Law School, where she was a tenured professor, as an example of the faculty’s diversity. That led to the revelation that Warren — citing only anecdotal evidence — claimed to be part Cherokee and Delaware Indian, and had listed herself as a minority in a directory of law professors from 1986 until 1995." Link: https://www.factcheck.org/2017/12/elizabeth-warrens-pocahontas-controversy/

    But, really -- SIX TO TEN GENERATIONS AGO?! Is that supposed to impress anybody? :roflol:. Honestly, if I had been 'Pocahontas' Warren, I'd probably have kept that genetic discovery strictly to myself.... :lol:
     
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    6-10? Pretty big spread there. Doesn't sound very "sciencey" to me.
     
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    It would appear that you are seriously trying for a angle to dispute now, a proven part of her heritage. Good luck, if the test is accurate, she is part native American, just as she has claimed. I'd suggest not beating a dead horse here.......you'd have a better chance challenging the veracity of the DNA test.
     
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    Six to ten generations?! C'mon, Thor, even though you are a dyed-in-the-wool liberal Democrat, surely this 'Pocahontas' claim to be a MINORITY based on this kind of crap (even if true) is absolutely laughable!

    At an average calculation of 35 years per generation, that means that there is evidence of an Indian being one of Warren's ancestors back somewhere between the years of 1739 and 1599...?! She was born in June of 1949 -- you do the math!

    Don't misunderstand me -- I despise all of this 'reverse discrimination', affirmative-action nonsense and think that this national obsession we've had with race is a disgrace. But deliberately using that to push one's own career as Warren obviously has, for an advantage over others, is just slightly less than CRIMINAL, in my not-so humble opinion.... But the amazing thing is that with something as obviously thread-bare as THIS test result is, how could she be so stupid as to release it for all to see?! :spin:
     
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    10 generations removed? What % would that be? 1/.0000000000000000000214%?
     
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    Can you provide objective evidence that she ever used her heritage for personal gain?
     
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    Bustamante calculated that Warren’s pure Native American ancestor appears in her family tree “in the range of 6-10 generations ago.” That timing fits Warren’s family lore, passed down during her Oklahoma upbringing, that her great-great-great-grandmother, O.C. Sarah Smith, was at least partially Native American.

    Seems Trump owes her favorite charity a million bucks. Watch this one spin.
     
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    Beats hell out of me... I wasn't a Math-major, and my calculator can't handle those numbers.... But 'Pocahontas' didn't have to do any calculations, either -- no, all she had to do was assert some kind of half-assed CLAIM to be a "minority" and the gullible, hyperliberal idiots she played like a piano fell for it completely. In a way, I have to congratulate her for her guile and craftiness.... :twisted:
     
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    You are making assumptions, I am a never Trumper, NEVER. And yes, you are searching for an angle to dispute her proven heritage....shame on you but totally expected.
     
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    On the contrary, scientists do not deal in false absolutes. There is always margin for error and openness to being proven wrong, because science is always based on the known facts and one rarely knows all of the facts in full, especially about such a complex matter as genetics. 6-10 generations ago suggests that the exact number of genes will vary from individual to individual. Since genetic inheritance and mutation is inherently random, there will simply always be a degree of uncertainty without other corroborating evidence.
     
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    "Bustamante calculated that Warren’s pure Native American ancestor appears in her family tree “in the range of 6-10 generations ago.” That timing fits Warren’s family lore...." ?

    It 'fits' the family lore? Based on WHAT? The American Indians did not have a written language, and they didn't issue "birth certificates". The 'ancestor' indicated in this test could have existed anywhere between 1739 on back to 1599 (using the nominal value of 35 years for a "generation").

    All this proves is that Elizabeth Warren was expert at GAMING THE SYSTEM! :hippie:
     
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    Pony up the money Donnie, even if it's rubles or Saudi gold.
     
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    I haven't "searched" for anything, Thor. I have simply stated FACTS. You haven't responded to a single one of the facts I've presented....
    Who exactly were your 'ancestors' going back to 1739? How about 1599? I'm sure mine were a bunch of German peasants, probably drunk on wine somewhere in the Rhineland, but who can know for sure? We may agree that even 1739 was a hell of a long time ago....

    One thing IS for sure, however -- I never tried to parlay my 'ancestry' into getting an unfair, disgusting advantage over other people in order to succeed in life!
     
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    She never claimed anything different.
    We are still waiting for how she gamed the system.
    And we are waiting for Trump to pay up.

    "I will give you a million dollars, paid for by Trump, to your favorite charity, if you take the test and it shows you're an Indian," Trump said at the time. "I have a feeling she will say 'no.' "
     
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    Six generations is around 1.5% and ten generations would be around 0.2%. My own spouse is at 3% so it is probably a great deal more common than most people even realize.
     
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    It will probably be in the form of a stack of gifts cards to a Tanning Salon.
     
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    Do you think that this will prompt Trump and minions to stop calling her Pocahontas? Not a chance. They've already made up their minds.
     
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    Derailing your own thread is quite ironic trying to make it about me. Warren has native American DNA as she has claimed. Deal with this like an adult.
     
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    It is very likely much "more common than most people even realize", Te, I agree. And with it being relatively "common" there should not (NOT) have been some big hooptie claim for Warren to make for being a MINORITY, and getting unfair advantages in life and career because of it.
     
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    Sounds like she is descended from Pocahontas.
     
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    She had a winner even without a DNA test. Even today 15% of the people in Oklahoma are Native Americans.
     
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    Oh, bullshit, Thor. If we go back far enough in history, I'm sure we can all trace our ancestries to Black Africans! NOW, using THAT, can the rest of us make claims that we should get special treatment and concessions because we are "MINORITIES"...?! :rock_slayer:
     
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    https://www.factcheck.org/2017/12/elizabeth-warrens-pocahontas-controversy/

    No proof has emerged that confirms that Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren is, as she has claimed, part Native American. Likewise, no proof has surfaced that Warren was previously hired as a professor by any university based on her alleged heritage.

    The subject of Warren’s ancestry came to national attention in April 2012, when she was a candidate trying to unseat then-Sen. Scott Brown, the Republican incumbent.

    The Boston Herald reported that Warren had previously been touted in the 1990s by officials at Harvard Law School, where she was a tenured professor, as an example of the faculty’s diversity. That led to the revelation that Warren — citing only anecdotal evidence — claimed to be part Cherokee and Delaware Indian, and had listed herself as a minority in a directory of law professors from 1986 until 1995.

    Brown and others then accused Warren of claiming to be a descendant of American Indians to advance her career in academia, which Warren has repeatedly denied doing.

    “Let me be clear. I never asked for, never got any benefit because of my heritage,” Warren said in a 2012 TV ad rebutting claims made by Brown.

    The controversy resurfaced after President Donald Trump — as he had done before — referred to the Democratic senator as “Pocahontas” during a Nov. 27 ceremony at the White House to honor Navajo code talkers from World War II.

    Our readers have been asking about Warren’s lineage and career ever since.

    Warren’s Heritage
    As we said, Warren has provided no actual documentation to substantiate her claim of having Native American blood.

    Warren, who was born and raised in Oklahoma, has said that her parents and grandparents, who are now deceased, were the sources of that information.

    “I am very proud of my heritage,” Warren said at the time, according to news articles. “These are my family stories. This is what my brothers and I were told by my mom and my dad, my mammaw and my pappaw. This is our lives. And I’m very proud of it.”

    In that 2012 campaign ad, Warren said that her parents had to elope because her father’s family didn’t like that her mother “was part Cherokee and part Delaware.”

    ...

    And a DNA test, which Brown and others suggested Warren take, also might not be conclusive, according to a 2016 story in the Washington Post. Nanibaa’ Garrison, a bioethicist who studied genetics at Stanford University, told the newspaper: “It’s really difficult to say that a DNA test would be able to identify how much Native American ancestry a person has.”

    Warren still hasn’t offered documentation for her claims.

    She again made the point about her family’s stories during an interview with CNN’s Anderson Cooper on the day of Trump’s most recent “Pocahontas” dig.

    “Look, I learned about my family the way that most people learn about their families,” Warren said. “My brothers and I learned from our mother and our daddy and our grandparents who we are. And that’s it. That’s how we learned it. That’s what we know.”

    Warren’s Career
    Again, this all became an issue after the Boston Herald reported that Harvard Law School, where Warren worked from 1995 until she was elected to the Senate in 2012, “touted Warren’s Native American background … in an effort to bolster their diversity hiring record in the ’90s as the school came under heavy fire for a faculty that was then predominantly white and male.”

    In a 1996 article, the Harvard Crimson wrote: “Of 71 current Law School professors and assistant professors, 11 are women, five are black, one is Native American and one is Hispanic, said Mike Chmura, spokesperson for the Law School.”

    The one Native American, according to Chmura, was Warren, the Crimson reported.

    The original Herald story also led to the disclosure that Warren had identified herself as a minority in the Association of American Law Schools directory for law professors from 1986 to 1995. It also came out that Warren was highlighted in a 2005 report from the University of Pennsylvania’s Minority Equity Committee as a minority recipient of a teaching award at Penn.

    The information in the 2005 report about minority faculty was obtained from the university’s personnel payroll system, as well as records maintained by each of Penn’s 12 different schools, according to a note on its data sources. Warren was a professor at the University of Pennsylvania Law School from 1987 to 1995.

    (FactCheck.org, which launched in 2003, is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania.)

    It was also reported by the Boston Globe that Warren, on a 1973 application to the Rutgers Law School, declined to apply for admission under the Program for Minority Group Students, and that she listed herself as white on an undated personnel document at the University of Texas, where she worked from 1981 until 1987.

    Warren has declined to authorize officials at Harvard or Penn, both private institutions, to release her employment records, as Brown challenged her to do.

    To Warren’s critics, this all suggested that she only started claiming to be a minority — based on her alleged roots — for professional advancement. Warren also stopped listing herself as a minority in the AALS directory after she was hired by Harvard in 1995, news stories said.

    White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders made the same charge about Warren in a Nov. 27 press briefing where she pushed back against the suggestion that the president’s “Pocahontas” remark was “offensive” or a “racial slur.”

    “I think what most people find offensive is Senator Warren lying about her heritage to advance her career,” Sanders said.

    Warren, though, denies that she ever claimed to be a minority to secure employment. She said that she has always been recruited by employers based on her work.

    “I never used it to get ahead,” she said in the Nov. 27 interview with Cooper. “I never used it to get into school. I never used it to get a job.”

    We are not aware of anyone having proved anything different.

    ...
     
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    Will Trump honor his promise? He continues to enrich himself through the presidency. The least he could do would be to donate some of that money.
     
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    Here was it is different. Every time Trump or his supporters use it...it will trigger everyone to remember She won.

    Trump used it when he believed she had no native blood. Now if he uses it...it is just a reminder he lost.

    He doesn't claim Obama is a foreigner anymore.
     
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