Elizabeth Warren's DNA test says there was a Native American ancestor 6 -10 generations ago....

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Tea party is actively fighting those trying to impeach Trump.

    I advise you to first check with them then tell us what you believe their position to be.

    https://www.teaparty.org/take-action-now/

     
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    Well, the more generations you pack in there the greater the possibility that her claims are true.

    She claims to have been told she had Cherokee ancestry. The Cherokee Nation (in Oklahoma) have no specific blood degree requirement for citizenship as long as you can prove direct lineage to someone listed on the Dawes final rolls which were completed circa 1900 so I figured at approximately one generation each thirty years, you could go back about four generations.

    If you're saying that each generation renews every 15 years (more likely the further you go back in time IMO) then that could easily stretch to eight generations. Her DNA test stated between 6 to 10 generations which would fall within those parameters so, if she had an ancestor listed on the rolls she could be "Cherokee" for the purpose of tribal enrollment. As it happens, this does not appear to be the case. That said some tribal historians will openly admit that many people, for a host of reasons, weren't listed on the rolls or were mis-labelled as belonging to one tribe when they actually belonged to another etc. It wasn't an exact science.

    So within that context her claims could be true, to the extent she ever believed it to be true.

    I doubt we'll ever know but, in this case, doubt could play a considerable roll in her story and that of many others.
     
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    Sort of reminds me of the conclusion in the Ford/Kavanaugh story, maybe this is like Trump's infamous "alternative reality"?
     
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    The Cherokee Nation - like young Elizabeth, when told of her ancestry by her mother - do not hire genealogists.

    Johnny Cash didn't order research done either. He just believed his grandparents.


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    “As an American who is almost a half-breed Cherokee-Mohawk (and who knows what else?) — 
    I had to fight back when I realized that so many stations are afraid of ‘Ira Hayes’.” 

    Let' hope that Trump doesn't start braying, "Pocahontas!" whenever Cash is mentioned. It sounds very dumb.
     
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    Wrong! Everything I do is quite, "wise"!
    Listen up: Palin didn't quit to run for VP in 2008. She resigned from her Governor's role in July 2009, retaining her Governor's title throughout the 2008 campaign (she was not up for re-election in 2008 ), and quit the following year before completing her term so she could be on television. If she was worth a hoot don't you think your beloved Drumpf would have appointed her to his cabinet??? LOL!

    And as for, "My stature???" LOL! I have an awesome stature. And, I am sorry for potentially offending you, but I never called you a, "louse," .... however if the shoe fits....
     
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    Not talking about their love affair with Trump. Was referring to their disdain for the previous administration and the ick ways in which they acted out regarding it.
     
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    Ayn Rand was speaking of poison in unawares? Who would knowingly choose poison over food?

    You seem to adhere to a simplistic brand of extremism which labels ALL who are not in lockstep with you as being the enemy. And you chastise anyone who has the nerve to THINK. Fortunately zealots, who share your vile attitude on both ends of the political spectrum, are on the fringe - though mayhap not in your teensy-weensy little online environment full of anger and chastisement. Those on that fringe as you are, enjoying making hefty waves but ALWAYS eventually fizzle out.
     
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    It is an analogy; If your diet consist of both food and poison, you will eventually die from the poison. Compromising is not possible. Centrism is poison.

    I do not even understand how a truly principled "Centrism" would take shape in reality, I mean. is it really possible to be both for and against a given issue?

    Size of Government: Medium? What does that even mean? How big is too big and how small is too small?
    Military and War: Pro-Intervention and conscrpition as long as the State only invades half of Earth instead of all of it?
    Economic policy: I assume Mixed Economy?
    Individual Liberties: Every individual is free to do as they please as long as it pleases your particular interests?
    Migration: Open borders that are closed? Closed borders that are open?
    Conservativism vs Progressivism: Both? How?

    It is a highly ambigious term that, when put into practise, can only end up being either Left Wing or Right Wing. In a sense all political parties are "Centrist" as their goal is to maximise votes and in their chase for voters, they mix policies from both flanks, so that they can appeal to as many voters as possible and this makes it extremely prone to corruption.

    Centrism is silly.
     
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    The music tracks were sub-par but Bitter Tears was one of the best story-telling albums ever made. I still have it somewhere.

    "As Long as the Grass Shall Grow" is about the stealing of Seneca homeland by JFK in abrogating a treaty signed by George Washington just to build Kinzua dam. "The Ballad of Ira Hayes" is about as sad as a song can be writ.

    They know on reservations everywhere that Cash fought for them, though he was not one of them. Cash had strong medicine.
     
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  10. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I did not tell you you called me a louse, your snippy reply back to me was coloring me as were I a louse. When insulted, i am quite able to see that shoe fitting.

    I retract my claim that Palin quit to run. I reviewed her cause and it was over ethics problems and it was costing her a fortune to retain her office. The Alaska government then changed the ethics problem so others doing what she did need not worry now and their legal fees will get paid by Alaska and other issues are now okay.

    Why do you claim to be republican yet sound precisely like you stick to democrats?

    Trump is no more beloved by me than you loved Hillary. Wait, maybe you do love her.

    Sarah being on TV was not what she prefered. Sarah prefered not to be sued that cost her so much money. She liked her job as Governor.

    Given that Trump has greatly benefited all Americans save a tiny amount, I see no cause for you to be upset at the man. True i do not like his language, but when the rubber hits the road, what he does is far more important than his annoying reporters and some Democrats.
     
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    Actually I love it when he annoys reporters, especially if it's a hard uppercut when they miss. That's what made me take a good look at the man in 2015.
     
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    I actually bought two copies of the album. "Ira Hayes" is haunting.

    Congress passed the Flood Control Acts of 1936 and 1938, authorizing the construction of the dam that was not begun by the US Army Corps of Engineers until 1960, under Nixon's presidency, and it was completed in 1966 under Johnson's.

    According to the US Army Corps of Engineers, Kinzua more than paid for itself in 1972 when tropical storm Agnes dumped continual heavy rains on the watershed, bringing the reservoir to within three feet of its maximum storage capacity. Downstream flood damages were avoided of an estimated $247 million. The dam at Kinzua has prevented an estimated $1 billion in flood damages since becoming operational.

    https://www.lrp.usace.army.mil/Miss...zua-Dam-Allegheny-Reservoir-MasterPlanUpdate/

    "It submerged over 9,000 acres of the Seneca's habitable land, their ancestral homes, farms, community centers, and burial plots, including the Cornplanter tract located in Pennsylvania, and their hunting and fishing grounds. In the process the federal government abrogated the Pickering Treaty of 1794, the nation's oldest treaty "still in force," and coerced nearly 700 Seneca to relocate to a new housing development. Their reconstituted community would be divided by a new state highway several years later. For their land and their troubles the Seneca Nation received $15,000,053 in 1964 when President Johnson signed Public Law 88-533; the money compensated the Seneca for direct damages, indirect damages, community rehabilitation, and legal fees."

    https://www.riversofsteel.com/_uploads/files/The Kinzua Dam Controversy.pdf
     
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    And so now the thread is moved? This is hilarious.

    Prediction: if 'Dizzy Lizzy' Warren decides to pursue her suicidal run for the presidency (and I DEARLY hope she does), her claim to being an "Indian" will, indeed, be a CURRENT EVENT again. For now... meh, let it be pushed to the rear of the forum.

    Hint to all Libs: you, and your 'Dizzy Lizzy' invention can RUN, but you can't HIDE.... :roflol:

    [​IMG] :nana: We'll keep our eyes on YOU!
     
  14. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Were you a supporter of Obama?

    As an aside, to get onto the correct foot with you, a short story. I once had some fights with a woman that owned a large restaurant in Naples Florida. We got crabby and then i emailed her. Turned out we were on the same page on almost all things. She was very wealthy. She moved from Florida to St. Lucia after marrying a wealthy republican man around her home. She was wealthy but having more also was fine with her. He died at St. Lucia and she moved back to the Tampa area and was buying large homes and having them repaired during the down market. She was prominent in Florida republican politics. Sadly one day she informed me she had stage 4 cancer. Then suddenly she was not able for me to reach so she passed away. Silverwitch1 was her name on AOL.

    We used screen names but I believe her family called her Barbara. I never asked her what her maiden name was or her married name. She had remarried to a man with a home in England and some in the USA too.

    I hope not to have fights with you. Her kids are now wealthy so her goal was achieved. I miss that dear lady.

    Can we proceed on a good footing?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He can get rough as a corn cob with them. They came to hate the man and this was prior to being elected. The media earns too much from the establishment to want that cart turned over. Trump really loves turning that cart over.
     
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    "Centrism," is a label you introduced into your and my conversation. A label which you then went on to define, ultimately, as a campaign tool. When I say, "somewhere in the middle," I'm not referring to politically motivated folks looking for votes. I'm referring to most Americans, who are interested in their daily ability to make ends meet and what kind of future they may expect for themselves [and for their children].
     
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    Barbara sounds like a very special lady, Robert. I'm glad you had the time with her that you did.

    You and I may not see eye-to-eye on anything but, like Voltaire, I will defend your right to say it. I will listen to you and when it's my turn I'll tell you what I think. We may agree, or disagree. But you will have my respect. :)
     
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    Changing political parties is far easier than changing your race, as Ms. Warren has probably discovered.
     
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    Leftists have never liked successful conservative women. This post is just another of the many examples of leftist hypocrisy in this regard.
     
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    She used Native status, which she did not have, to promote herself and her career. and did it for quite a number of years. In fact her husband also claimed to be a Cherokee in his Pow Wow Chow contribution.

    This is just wrong and should be condemned.
     
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    Or maybe he, like Ms. Warren, enjoyed the cachet it gave him.
     
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    The Indians are very fond of Cash, unlike Warren. He was adopted into the Seneca Nation Turtle Clan and give the Indian name Ha gao ta, story teller.
     
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    I agree. He added pride to Native Americans and alerted others to their plight and their history.
     
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    I metely dislike warren for being a fake Indian

    Its her socialist economic policies that bother me the most
     
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    The disingenuous strawmen and nefarious misrepresentation screed above is duly noted and ALL of it is being IGNORED because you cannot refrain from ad hom PROJECTIONS.

    Dismissed for derogatory reasons and no further responses will be forthcoming until you engage in civil discourse again.

    Have a nice day!
     

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