Elon Musk warns of SpaceX 'bankruptcy'

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  1. AARguy

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    What's with this sick obsession over Musk. He's just one rich guy. There are a LOT of rich guys. And 330 million Americans. Musk is just ONE GUY... with a big bank account... so what? He's not the only one. Posters here make him sound like Jesus with money. What's this all about?
     
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    In a socialist system, all the resources are held in the hands of the elitist rulers. They dole these resources out as they see fit. This is the "command" part of a "command economy".
    Capitalism allows you be a drone and earn minimum wage if you want, but also allows you to begin your own company, invent things, achieve things which allows you to create your own wealth with no dependence on any elitist ruler to authorize it or issue it to you. With socialism you get stuck with what you are allowed to have, not what you EARN on your own.
     
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    The capitalism under which we live is a distortion of capitalism. It is capitalism run amok, capitalism run by men with absolutely no moral compass. Greed is good, to borrow from the movie.

    I'm all for capitalism, but I'm also for the rights of man and constitutional governance.

    As Louis Brandeis famously noted, we can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we cannot have both. He was right, and we're seeing that today.
     
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    It is so unfortunate that we have become a nation of whiney, laz,y little cretins that can't make their own way in life. Most people would be embarrassed to be such failures and do something about it like return to school or get additional skills. Its ok though, the whiney losers are still few and far between. Most Americans are still hard working and prosperous.
     
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    You are repeating anti-Soviet propaganda clichés, which are 100% false.
    After the death of Comrade Stalin, socialism in the USSR ceased to exist. And the appearance of the villain Gorbachev is a consequence of the policy of the villain Khrushchev. And this has nothing to do with socialism.
     
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    What I wrote was not from any source of propaganda. I lived through that period and watched in current news from the TV to TIME, from the WALL STREET JOURNAL to US NEWS AND WORLD REPORT.
    But it wasn't just THAT. Soviet citizens had stood in bread lines waiting for food for years, firm in the knowledge that the DIALECTIC would someday become reality. When Reagan and STAR WARS came along, they realized that the DIALECTIC would always be just a dream and the Soviet Union collapsed. Then there was Lech Walensa... and more.
     
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    A smooth transition from capitalism to socialism is possible, but in my opinion such a movement is unlikely. I think that the exploiting bloodsuckers will not voluntarily give up power and money. Therefore, in my opinion, war is inevitable in the transition period.
     
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    I don't want limits placed on my ability to EARN or succeed. I liked making stock options when I closed a big deal. I liked promotions and bonuses I could set my sights on and achieve. Im all set now in full retirement having fun... but I still care about my kids and grandkids. I want them to have super goals they can achieve through their own efforts.
     
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    I never said that the socialism that existed before was ideal. On the contrary, I have always written - this is a new socio-political system. Naturally, there were mistakes in some questions. Nobody knows how to do it right. But the process is going on. And society learns from its mistakes. I gave an example - for the first time the ideas of communism existed for 72 days and only in one city Paris (Paris Commune)
    The second time - the USSR existed for more than 70 years, from a poverty-stricken, illiterate country (the Russian empire) it became a country with the second economy in the world and controlled half of the world.
    So progress is evident.
    By the way, I do not exclude that for the third time the communist ideas can win in the USA, France or Germany. The proletarian movement is strong in these countries.
    Just like in its time capitalism won in different countries, then there was a rollback to the monarchy and feudalism, but for the first time it finally won in Holland. And from there he began to conquer the whole world.
     
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    Capitalism cannot be otherwise. At first, capitalism is a progressive form of social relations in comparison with the previous system (feudalism), but then the degeneration of capitalism into imperialism is inevitable. What Lenin proved in his work "Imperialism as the Highest Stage of Capitalism".
     
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    Or Elon is fishing for more government subsidies....
     
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    Capitalism has done well in America without "imperialism". Yes, we gained possession of the Phillipines in the Spanish-American War... but total independence was planned for 1946 from the beginning. Yes, we have Puerto Rico as a "possession" but that's hardly an attempt at gaining power. It's more like... pity. Yes, we still have Guantanamo, but anyone who thinks that's about empire building... has never been there.
     
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    You're writing nonsense. And if you like selling drugs or children for organs and you don’t want to be limited in your earning opportunities? Are you going to demand that the restrictions be lifted?
    The speculator is an economic parasite for society. But if you earn, for example, by building houses, making cars or airplanes ... sewing clothes or producing services necessary for the world, then no one will limit you in your ability to earn.
    Read about the Stalinist artels (not state enterprises) to understand that socialism develops and encourages any initiative USEFUL FOR SOCIETY.
     
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    Of course he wants to get more out of taxpayer money (government money). But the bottom line is that without this money, Musk could go bankrupt.
    Therefore, he actually says - "taxpayers, date me as much money as possible. Otherwise, I may go bankrupt."
     
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    You must live in a really rotten neighborhood. No one sells organs here or anywhere else I've ever lived. Why did you choose to live in such a place?
    Socialism let's someone else decree what I can and can't do. That's bad.
     
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    What a wonderful discussion here! Isn't it amazing? One side says Capitalism is bad just look at Elon Musk and how his businesses are failing. The other side replies 'No, capitalism is not bad. It's just that Elon Musk is a bad example of an entrepreneur'.

    This is so nuts! What on Earth are you all talking about?!

    Elon Musk is a freaking genius! He developed and sold his first computer program many decades ago in South Africa. At the time when even in the developed world not many have heard about computers and he was freaking 12 years old.

    He was just 31 when he sold his shares in PayPal for 100 million dollars. He could have retired and live happily ever after but he reinvested his money in SpaceX and Tesla and revolutionized two major industries. Model 3 is a best-selling car model in Europe and SpaceX is going to take Russian cosmonauts to space after many years that Americans were laughed at by Russians for their reliance on their vehicles to go to space.

    And then he made the monkey play a computer game using only the power of its brain. And he found a new way to dig tunnels under the ground. And his cars drive themselves. And his rocket land themselves. And he is about to cover the whole Earth with high-speed affordable internet.

    The guy is so good, I just can't wrap my mind around how he is real.
     
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    Sorry but your discourse is very flawed and extremely ridiculous. You are insulting everyone's intelligence, you talk like you try to teach 10 year old kids in North Korea about the superiority of communism.
    Elon Musk is a clown. He thinks he is so awesome that everyone will believe him just because he is awesome.
    He claims SpaceX can get bankrupt, not him. Tesla is still doing great.
    Sure SpaceX can go bankrupt if he doesn't watch the expenses but even then he can make another company for operating Falcon 9 only which is very profitable.
    In the first world, there are lots of protections in place so you don't get thrown in the street if you lose your job.
    Sorry but your entire discourse is disgusting.
     

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