End Affirmative Action. Yes / No & Why

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Should Affirmative Action be ended? Including diversity considerations.

  1. Yes.

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  2. No.

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  1. Moriah

    Moriah Well-Known Member

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    That is not an answer. Where do you work?
     
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    Not for the government. Affirmative action only applies to the government and its contractors.
     
  3. Moriah

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    Practice social distancing. Wear a mask when out in public. Wash your hands frequently.
    Take care and stay safe. Bye.
    P.S. You should stay out of the conversation if you can't answer a direct question after inserting yourself in said conversation. Just my opinion.
     
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    Centerfield says my non medical mask is useless
     
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    I'd say end it. Government sanctioned Racism, is still Racism. In this day and age, I think we have done a good job making the playing field level. The opportunities are there for anyone who has the drive to pursue them, rather than wallow in minimum wage land their entire lives.
     
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    Affirmative Action for Whites lasted for 300 years, and was the law of the land. ( The Constitution and Bill of Rights).
    Affirmative Action for Minorities and women needs to last for 300 years at least in order to make it a level playing field.
     
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    I don't live in the past and those days are gone, thankfully. The playing field is level now. You have as much opportunity as I do, with nothing holding either of us back. How much or how little we succeed is totally on us. One thing that could hold you back, is to live and dwell in the past. This perpetuates a victim mentality. The thing about being the victim, is you are not then in control of your own life. Once you give up control to be the victim, you will never rise above where you're at.

    So, purporting an additional 300 years of Government sanctioned "Ism's" is certainly not an answer when the field has been levelled thanks to many heroes of the past.
     
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    I don't live in the past, either. We need 300 years. The playing field is not yet level. We are not victims; we are American citizens trying to catch up to our fellow citizens who were given a 300 year head start.
    We'll get there one day. :)
     
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    Asian-American Households Continue to Enjoy Above-Average Incomes
    February 28, 2019

    Asian-American households continue to have the highest household incomes of any race/ethnicity in the US, according to recently-released figures [download page] from Claritas. Asian and Pacific Islander households in the US have an annual mean income of $116,319, which is 36% more than the national average, per the report.

    The median annual household income for Asian households is $91,414, which is 52% more than the overall US household average ($60,194).

    When looking at the numbers by ethnicity/race, it’s easy to see why US Asian households have such a high average income. Nearly one-quarter (24%) of Asian households earn $150K or more per year, with more than one-eighth (13.4%) earning at least $200K per year. By comparison, 6.1% of Black households earn $150K or more, as do 7.3% of Hispanic households.

    https://www.marketingcharts.com/demographics-and-audiences/household-income-107552
     
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    :sleeping::sleeping::sleeping:
     
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    Slavery and racial discrimination do not explain the fact that right now Negroes tend to be considerably less intelligent than whites and Orientals. Thousands of years of human evolution explain that. Living in cold climates requires more intelligence than living in tropical climates. People must be able to build clothing and housing for the winter months. They need to plan ahead, so that they have food for the winter months.

    Civilization places more evolutionary pressure on intelligence than a tribal environment. In a civilization intelligent men tend to become merchants, scribes, government officials, money lenders and so on. They tend to become more prosperous than unintelligent men. Until very recently they had more children who survived and reproduced.

    I define a civilization as a city based culture where the government has the effective monopoly on the legitimate use of violence. Tribes exist when the government is weak, ineffectual, or does not exist.
     
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    In other words, you cannot answer my argument. Orientals and Jews have overcome discrimination and persecution to make more money on the average than white Gentiles. They have done so because they tend to be more intelligent than white Gentiles. What matters is not race. What matters is IQ.
     
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    I would certainly like to see the Black community raise their overall financial status in terms of incomes, etc. While I believe the playing field has been levelled, I do agree that it has not been levelled for a very long time. I have not researched enough numbers, but I would be curious to see if the Black community has increased their overall financial numbers over say the last 20 years, or even 10 years. There may be a bit of, for lack of a better term, culture shock, especially for older generations who were around for some of the discrimination that happened. It may take some time to wean off the perception that the system is rigged against. If I could throw 1 thing at this, you know, waive the magic wand, it would be to make sure all schools are at teaching at the same level, and to enforce high school graduation as absolutely mandatory. I believe education is the most important thing we can address, as simply the act of graduating high school significantly increases your odds of not being at or below poverty level. It is not an iron clad guarantee of course, the ultimate responsibility falls squarely to the individual.
     
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    :roflol:If Whites/ Europeans were so civilized why were they always killing each other? They were at war with each other more often than not. Seems like an intelligent, enlightened group of folks would live peacefully with each other. :confusion:
     
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    So, why aren't Orientals and Jews the rulers of the USA? Is intelligence all that matters? Or does White Supremacy come into play?
     
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    That's a deeply silly thing to believe, with respect. Intelligence is not genetic, it's a function of environment. Any newborn can be given enhanced intelligence via shaping of environment.
     
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    In Africa tribal wars have always killed a high percentage of men. In the United States blacks have a murder rate that is nearly eight times the white rate.
     
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    Scientists who have studied the matter usually attribute 80% of IQ to genes. Adopted children usually resemble their biological parents more in IQ than the people who adopt them.
     
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    Currently Orientals and Jews have higher average incomes than white Gentiles. White nationalists, of whom I am definitely not, resent that.
     
  20. Moriah

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    I repeat: If Whites were so civilized why were they always at war with each other?
    Forget about Blacks for a moment and answer my question.
    If you can.
     
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    You still didn't answer the question. It's not about income.
    Why aren't Oreintals and Jews the rulers of this country If they are smarter than Whites?

    It seems you have lots of racial beliefs, but you are not able to explain them.
     
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    If pacifism is a requirement of a civilization, there has never been a civilization.
     
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    Any time you give special privilege to any group over another group for diversification sake you are implying that that group is less than.
     
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    There are not enough of them to dominate. However, by the end of this century I expect the United States to be dominated by a high IQ cognitive elite what will be composed disproportionately of Jews and Orientals.

    As intelligence becomes increasingly important to our economy the wealth and power of Jews and Orientals will increase.
     
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    Look up the ownership of motels and small hotels in America. Somewhere there's a Patel involved. India's monopoly. Have you visited our Gift Shops?
     

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