End GMOs in exchange for Regenerative Agriculture

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  1. Woogs

    Woogs Well-Known Member

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    Just skimmed over the front page of your link. It's a no-brainer that adding compost and manure to soil is a good idea. However, this dud was among the findings:

    FINDINGS: Composted manure and plant waste produced fewer greenhouse gas emissions than the application of either manure or inorganic nitrogen fertilizer across a broad range of environmental and management conditions.

    Duh, yeah, composted manure produces fewer emissions than raw manure. The thing is, it all starts out raw and has to get composted somewhere lol.
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    I really think you are trying to distract with this irrelevant agriculture thing because I schooled you on genetic modification.

    I'm not reading all this tinfoil hat nonsense again.
     
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    Alabama produces one million tons of chicken manure a year. Some people may see it as just chicken chit. Others may see it as gold. This waste product could...and is...being used to regenerate pastures all over the State. Regenerative agriculture is all about putting back.
     
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    Just my personal belief, but I think that the best practices probably occur on smaller scale farms. When productivity is the prime concern, best practices can take a back seat.

    The trend is towards fewer farms producing a larger percentage of food.

    American farming is changing, according to the recently released agriculture census—and the change comes with a warning from the U.S. Secretary of Agriculture, Tom Vilsack.

    Speaking at a symposium at Iowa State University on May 2, the day the census came out, Vilsack said the U.S. faces an "eroding middle" when it comes to farming, and that a small number of large farm operations "produces the vast majority of the nation's food."

    The U.S. Department of Agriculture census seems to back up Vilsack's complaint and his stated "need to expand the rural economy from the middle out." Large farms with over $1 million in sales account for only 4 percent of all farms, but 66 percent of all sales. That's up considerably from 1 percent of all farms and 50 percent of all sales a decade ago.
     
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    I just received aborist chips from the local tree trimmers. I dont know how many yards...but a few. I have filled my pickup 4 times from the pile already and it is still getting bigger. There is more than enough to cover my garden with yards and yards left over. I am gonna have fun with this stuff. I have some work to do.
     
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    Agree completely. My comment was about the silliness of the researchers in Steveo's link noting that composted manure gives off less emissions than raw manure.

    Since all manure starts off raw, it all gives off emissions as it composts.
     
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    You should explore that project. It is doing great things.
     
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    I'm already growing totally organic, so probably not much in it for me. I am happy to see better practices being researched and promoted, though. We need much more awareness on the subject.

    My earlier comment was about what I consider a clunker in otherwise good research. Gave me a chuckle.
     
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    Idahojunebug77 Well-Known Member

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    Thats all well and good, but what nutrional benefit will the annual grasslands provide for human consumption?
     
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    This is called Beyond Organic.
     
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    Earlier I posted in a comment some links to Norwegian studies showing that GMO leads to being fat. Also that modern crops are less nutritious.
     
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    You haven't schooled me, but we are trying to 'school' each other. That is the point, right?
     
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    Glyphosate is used as a dessicant in grain and dry bean crops prior to harvest to make the harvest easier. That has nothing to do with GMOs.

    The levels of glyphosate in these foods can be much higher than in other crops that use Round-up ready seeds.

    It's enough to have gotten me to switch to organic bread, cereal and dry beans.
     
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    That reminds me of the one about watering plants from overhead. It is supposed to spread diseases. What am I supposed to do about rain?
     
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    We harvest the beans for us to eat. Then we harvest the vines for the goats to eat. There is little difference in nutritional value between a pea and the vine it grows on.
     
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    Yeah, I've wondered about that, too. We've has 4 straight days of rain and my wayermelons are loving it.
     
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    It's the dry beans that are sprayed with glyphosate before harvest. I don't think beans picked green are, such as peas and green limas. At least I hope not. I don't have enough space to feed myself so have to rely on buying some stuff.
     
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    Roundup ready seeds allow farmers to increase the amount of the herbicide used.

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    https://www.organicconsumers.org/news/glyphosate-use-us
     
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    Yes, I know. My point was that the link you posted earlier about glyphosate levels in cereals is due to it being used as a dessicant. This is independent of the crop being Round-up ready or not.

    Spraying glyphosate on a mature crop pretty much ensures it winds up in the finished product.
     
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    I don't understand how Gmos tie into some agriculture philosophy.
     
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    How does your reply relate to carbon sequestering on annual grasslands and crop pruduction?

    Frankly, you have not shown any connection to carbon sequestering, gmo's, crop production, and regenerative agriculture.
     

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