England My England

Discussion in 'Western Europe' started by Heroclitus, Nov 4, 2011.

  1. Iolo

    Iolo Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh - at last I grasp it: you're sozzled! Explain tomorrow. In Gaelic would be okay - I have a dictionary and will probably be able to make out, given time.
     
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    Iolo Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One point that may be relevant to the mystery - Beit Bridge, as its name implies, is a bridge. It is the way the Smith nazis were getting their arms and such from the South African nazis, and its destruction would have saved a lot of time and a great many lives.
     
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    This is typical nonsense that those of you on the far left spew. To the original post, I say fair play although I disagree with the notion that a large number of torries are somehow bigots. Also, Henry VIII deserves a great deal of credit for building the navy that Elizabeth used to launch England into a global power.
     
  4. highlander

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    Sorry....I perhaps was reminiscing.......on times gone by!

    When political players had principles......!

    They can lie and get away cleanly...they have no virtues moral or otherwise!

    Margaret "soiled pants" thatcher brought in self regulation, and the EC last week attempted to curtail the same excesses and bringing back the same regulations thatcher got rid!

    The w/b ankers again won! Well done Cameron and his liberal chamber maid!

    Time for a political party any party that will jail the w/b ankers and send bLair Cameron Brown etc to the ICC!
    Not to mention those bankers that enriched themselves through crimes who can now have they're assets and ill gotten gains removed and given to the exchequer!
    Perhaps we can start with the Aristocracy!

    We can start in Scotland.....if nothing else we can get rid of these parasites, too cross the border......the Icelandic bankers did no less and are protected from there crimes in London!

    I rest my head in shame even to mention the attributes of Clement Attlee, Nye Bevin etc with these debauched individuals, labour liberal or tory!

    The election of bLiar because of the death of Smith changed greatly the political landscape of the nations!
    Signalling the end of of social and welfare state which our forefathers fought the same parasites in the higher echelons of English society!

    As for the SNP....what else is there.......more of the same......the future Scottish generations slaughtered in American English wars?
    I'll put my faith in Salmon! I'll take the chance of anything other than the status quo! That has never worked for nor in favour of the Scottish nation.....just look at the war memorials!

    I'll hope and pray, the Scottish nation votes for 1/5 million vote difference over 1/70 million votes... Which means we have no input back to the good old days of soiled pants!

    Regards
    Highlander
     
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    Sorry if the truth of the matter offends.....but that isn't my problem....deal with it!
    You can check the internet.....you'll find the facts are available, whether its your famous sodomite.....or Nazi Kings!

    What do I need to say to you to make you open your eyes?

    Thatcher dreamed of getting rid of the NHS SS and family allowance.....Cameron is rubbing his hands with glee!
    Mind you, it wasn't all his doing......he needed a number of idiot to vote in "more of the same" soiled pants extremism!

    We in Scotland made every attempt to help our brothers on the other side of the border......very few here were stupid enough to vote "tory" on this side of the border!
    We do not have the need to stand on others necks nor to treat others in our nation as peasants!
    Glad to be of help!

    Regards
    Highlander
     
  6. Oddquine

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    Kinda side-tracking this thread...........but self-regulation is no regulation...in fact, self regulation is tantamount to anarchy but a version which doesn't apply to anyone but Big Business, the media, financial institutions.and, once upon a time, before expenses scandals,politicians! :twisted:

    Alex Salmond is by far the best of a poor bunch in the UK at the moment....but that isn't saying a lot, tbh....Kermit the Frog would be an improvement on most of those who purport to "govern" us nowadays...he certainly has more intelligence than the majority!

    Don't get me wrong....I've always liked Salmond....even if he was an oil economist for RBS in a previous incarnation....and I have never in my life voted anything but SNP..and never will..but I vote for the principle of Independence and not the policies of the SNP which are, apart from their application only to Scotland, little different to those dreamed up by various UK think tanks.

    We are no less irrationally PC than any part of the UK....and it is irrational PC and "political conviction" based policies, driven by special interest groups which are trashing the UK.

    Useless windmill proliferation, for example is just one of the Scottish efforts to be "green" at the expense of we poor sods who have to pay through the nose for our power....just so electricity companies can pretend they are reducing carbon output!

    I just resent them thinking we are all as thick as they are! :mrgreen:
     
  7. highlander

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    I only wish it was a lack of political conviction......I personally don't think so! More the lack of discussion between individuals,a lack of community morality and humanity!
    Creating an situation in which extremism which now raises its head in the UK in the form of the Tory EDL BNP White supreme-mist etc!
    And the swallowing of lots of lies deceit and blame bull!!!!


    But I do agree with your sentiments!

    Regards
    Highlander
     
  8. Oddquine

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    You can thank Maggie Thatcher for the "me first, me last and me everywhere inbetween" society..,the one which has produced, along with successive EU PC dictat, the kind of society we have now....exacerbated by NuLabour after 1997.

    When I heard Cameron doing his "Big Society" crap.....I rolled my eyes to heaven and remembered the "Big Society" we used to have before Thatcher became Reagan's groupie....but unfortunately.....instead of shagging him...she shagged us!
     
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    God ...... I cant stop laughing!

    I can visualise your post!

    Regards
    Highlander
     
  10. Paris

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    That reminds me of a famous quote from a controversial Italian intellectual - Pier Paolo Pasolini - in Salò, or the 120 Days of Sodom:

    "We Fascists are the only true anarchists, naturally, once we're masters of the state. In fact, the one true anarchy is that of power."
     
  11. Oddquine

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    I guess......but then the one true dictatorship is one of power.......and the one true absolute monarchy is one of power...the one true" of any UK election is whichever Tory/Labour political ideal which manipulates itself into a position of power. Once any idea gets someone into power it is, at least for the time it is in power, the "one true".....isn't it?

    The problems arise when the "one true" won't let go of power and uses any means at their disposal to hang onto it, regardless of the consequences to those with no power.

    And in the UK today.....power is invested mostly in Big Business, the media, financial institutions etc and with children and those who care for them.....and all the rest of us have to put up with the consequences.

    That may mean paying £25 for a 10p over limit on a personal bank balance so that Big Business can get preferential rates, so their profits don't drop too much.... and having worked in a bank...I do know the difference between Big business/ Small business/ personal accounts when it comes to charging for services...and going by what I read, nothing has changed much since I retired..and what went on then basically meant that the poorest punter paid for everybody else's concessions. I knew that then......and from what I have seen to date nothing much has changed.

    I spent much of my life in banking ..and a fair proportion of it floating up crap creek, with regular disciplinary raps on the knuckles, because I refused to cold sell debt over the bank counter....and I just wouldn't wear the" Sale" crap they used to produce to promote personal loans/credit cards at a smidgeon below the current rate at the time..for a very short time.

    I've always felt that if you want something you don't have to be sold it....if you are desperate enough you will go looking...and if you don't go looking you are not desperate enough.

    But then isn't that what politics is allabout......inconvenience...even trash ..those who have no organised voice....the easy victims.... and ensure that the organised voices with memberships and lots of votes, mostly big memberships, get preference for anything that is going.

    Party political politics is the refuge of those who won't do anything for themselves, even think,(so not a lot different from religion) but expect that their vote will get them some benefit hinted at if not defined..while the cynics with some experince listen to yhe promises and thnk, what are they not telling us this time.

    Democracy does not exist anywhere in the West....bar possibly in Switzerland...because all the rest of the West elect four year or so dictators and legislatures who completely ignore the wishes of the majority of those who put them where they are, and do what amuses.......or financially benefits them.
     
  12. Paris

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    That was a very cynical quote, of course, from a movie I highly recommend even though it is quite disturbing. I took it as saying that, in fact, anarchy can only exist for those who are in power. They can pretty much do anything they want, as long as they can enact, amend, or simply disregard existing laws (see the Iraq War).
     
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    This is the sort of lazy thinking that permeates the Left nowadays (actually, it has done since the 1930's and forms the subject of much of Orwell's dersion of the Left), and underpins the moral relativism that equates free countries, like the one Oddquine lives in, with tyrannies. A short spell living in a place without democracy, where the government censors the television news (or writes it), where books are banned because they call for democracy, or where corruption is blatant and endemic, because there is no rule of law, is a good antidote to such childishness. Whatever subtle forms of control are developed by liberal hegemony, they are as silken cords when compared to the iron chains that encumber the citizens of tyrannical regimes.
     
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    The image of Marxist Professors writing to the papers decrying the abscence of British justice, comes to mind (that's Orwell reminding us how England is NOT a tyranny). Why it is that those who wish to dissemble the current system attach so much importance to bourgeois law always puzzles me. For me, there is no merit in a law that requires the approval of China and Russia before it is valid. There is a tactical advantage in having it, as it makes ebnforcement of the law easier. But to attach any intrinsic moral value to a law because it has been signed off in Zhongnanhai or the Kremlin, is to embrace cretinism, pure and simple.
     
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    Alas, Clotho, mother of thread spinners, a hammer alone can break iron chains. Just as silken cords can be cut by shears. Will a sickle, Atropos, do?
     
  16. Oddquine

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    The difference between Governments writing the news and the media manipulating the news to fulfill the sales level agenda set by those who pay their wages and take the profits is what, exactly? In the end....both propagandise to fulfill a function which has bugger all to do with honesty, fact and the common good.

    What Orwell said about "the Left" now applies to the "entitled" of all and no political leanings.....those "entitled" to have made a lot of money by killing off companies, along with the jobs they produced....those "entitled" to have inherited money and keep all of it...those "entitled" to tell Governments how to think and legislate for all the rest of us because they have well established and vociferous pressure groups pushing specific causes the Government believes supporting will win them votes....those "entitled" to make silly money because they are bankers without any conscience or politicians with less...those "entitled" to be bailed out/subsidised by the taxpayer under the threat of removing a service which should never have been in private profit-making hands in the first place...those "entitled" to taxpayer subsidised pensions keeping pace with their annually increasing salaries because they are "public service" employees and we owe them...the sense of "entitlement" even goes down to those "entitled" to be born, live, produce children and die without lifting a finger to help themselves.

    A sense of "Entitlement" and the efforts made to maintain that "entitlement" is corruption and deception on a scary scale.....and the vast numbers of PAYE sods on minimum wage and just above, with no access to the benefits to which others are "entitled", but no way of getting out of a system which penalises them for not being self-employed or unemployed, are the ones bearing the cost....because they are not wealthy enough, wealth producing enough, relatively poor enough, disadvantaged enough to have a voice at all.

    And that is the majority of the UK, being controlled by the minority to maintain their "entitlement" to be treated better than Joe Punter who pays his taxes every week because he is not "entitled" to do anything else.
     
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    Well worth reading! :)
     

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