English 101 for gun advocates.

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    557 Well-Known Member

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    I have not made the claim a militia is no longer necessary. The OP did. It’s his obligation to provide evidence for his claim. You know this because you advocate for others to validate their claims. Why do you want me to validate another poster’s opinion? You are defending the unsubstantiated opinion of the OP without evidence as well. Until one of you substantiates this opinion it’s of no value.
     
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    I follow all these threads. All that is offered to substantiate the claim a militia is no longer necessary is more unsubstantiated opinion.
     
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    Did the post say that?
     
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    From the OP

    Now I live in a country that HAS regulated firearms - quite strictly in fact. Our mass shooting rate is a tiny tiny fraction of yours, gun accidents involving children - one fatal accident in ten years that i am aware of (it is a massive issue here if a child is even injured by a gun). Gun suicide rate - again even taking the difference in population into account - it is far lower

    We overall feel much safer with these regulations.
     
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    Say what? I’ve quoted the statements from this thread I want substantiated. I asked on page three and again on page 6 and the OP has never substantiated the claim I quoted. Can you?
     
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    I’m glad you feel safe. We are discussing unsubstantiated claims by the OP. Why do you not care that the OP makes unsubstantiated claims but complain to others in the thread about not backing their claims. I though we agreed on always using evidence instead of unsubstantiated opinion.
     
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    Bye! See my sig
     
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    LOL. Guess you don’t believe in substantiating claims with evidence. Oh well, you are in good company on PF. Few do.
     
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    What the hell are you talking about? The OP has three examples that serve as evidence, and 21 pages with not a single counter-example.

    Did you even read the OP? Maybe you read it but didn't understand it. I encourage you to read it again.
     
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    QUOTE on the OP where it says that a militia is no longer necessary.
     
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    Yes I’ve read it. That’s why I’ve repeatedly asked you to substantiate this claim.
    But you never do. LOL
     
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    You are the original poster and I have quoted you making the claim with the PF quote function about ten times in this thread.
     
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    That is NOT the OP.

    The topic of this thread I justify it with three examples.
     
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    You are the OP. You made that claim that I quoted in this thread discussing your original post. You can run but you can’t hide. You made that claim in this thread. Back it up.
     
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    The TOPIC of this thread is no more and no less than what is stated on the OP, which you have not quoted even ONCE!

    I DO happen to believe that a militia is no longer necessary. But the reasons and evidence for that are in threads about that topic. This is not about that!

    This one is to demonstrate what the framers and any average educated individual at the time understood when they read the 2nd A.

    You either agree with that, or provide counter arguments. Changing the subject will not do
     
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    Golem, if the quote I’ve provided does not belong here and is not to be discussed here, why in Sam Hill did you intentionally type it out here and hit “post”? As I say, you can run, but you can’t hide from the PF quote function.

    I’ve advised you before, if you can’t defend a statement, don’t make the statement. It makes your whole thread look silly. If you don’t want a statement of yours discussed or questioned, don’t make the statement. Making it and then not wanting it discussed is not logical on an open forum.
     
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    OP means "Opening Post". Not "original poster". Your interpretation, BTW, makes absolutely no sense
     
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    It belongs here as a response to the poster I responded to. It does not change the topic. Looks like you still struggle to understand how online forums work. The topic is set by the OP (Opening Post). People can mention other things related but that don't directly address the topic. But that doesn't make those things the topic.

    If you want to discuss whether a well regulated militia is necessary (or even exists, as defined by the Constitution) there are other threads. Or any other topic. Here are some possible topics...

    The meaning of "keep and bear arms"
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/english-102-to-keep-and-bear-arms.586083/

    The historical context behind the approval of the 2nd A
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/history-101-why-the-2nd-amendment.586263/

    And what the framers meant by "A well-regulated militia"
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...form-part-of-a-well-regulated-militia.589757/

    No need to comment if you agree with them or, as in this thread, you can't rebut the arguments.
     
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    No it also denotes “original poster” as well. On social media it’s interchangeable. Can be original post or original poster.
     
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    I want you to support the claim you made to another poster. I’m uninterested in diversion. If you can’t support a statement or don’t want to, don’t post it on an open forum. I’m going to give you one more chance to substantiate the claim you made in your thread. If you don’t, I will accept your concession that it was just an unsubstantiated opinion you can not back up with evidence.

    Oh, by the way. Your meaning of keep and bear arms thread is based on a false premise. I informed you of that fact yet you still spread misinformation you read somewhere but did not fact check.
     
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    Here it means Opening Post. Interpreting it as "original poster" makes no sense in the context.
     
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    So we are clear that it's not the OP, and therefore not the topic.

    If you want to discuss why I believe a well regulated militia is not necessary, that is supported by the threads I gave. ALL the threads. But especially the last one.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...form-part-of-a-well-regulated-militia.589757/

    A well regulated militia is not necessary because the purpose for which it was created (which is explained in that thread) no longer exists. If you want to claim that that purpose exists, you can either make your arguments on that thread, or open a thread in which you make your arguments.
     
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    Oh. You get to choose the context I use a term in? LOL. When I use it in the context of a quote of YOU in YOUR thread that is not the first post in the thread it’s pretty obvious to anyone who is at all fluent in the English language what is meant.

    You can run, but you can’t hide. You made an unsubstantiated claim. I accept your concession that it is merely your unsubstantiated opinion and you have nothing to back it up with. As I always say, at least you are consistent in offering unsubstantiated opinions.
     
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    Let’s stay in the thread YOU made the claim in. This one. Follow the forum rules. Don’t link to something else as your argument. Go…
     
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    I just did. You just quoted it. How many times do you want me to repeat it?

    Last time:

    Because the conditions that made a well regulated militia necessary to the security of a free state when the 2nd A was drafted, as explained here
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/history-101-why-the-2nd-amendment.586263/
    and here
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...form-part-of-a-well-regulated-militia.589757/
    no longer exist.

    That's the answer. If you want to discuss any of that, do it in the corresponding thread. I have had several of the threads I opened deleted or closed because they wander off-topic. I don't want the same to happen to this one.

    Especially not one where my arguments are so strong that, after 21 pages, nobody has been able to rebut them.
     

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