your arrogant post is funny given how little knowledge you display on the subject. The second has to be seen in the context of the constitution and the tenth amendment. And no matter how hard you try to convince yourself that your anti gun desires don't run afoul of the second amendment, you don't convince those of us who actually have a proper understanding of the second and the context which birthed it
Yeah, you're another one who needs to read about the history and motivations behind the passage of 2A (but fail to read that history and understand those motivations). Some of that history entails the difference between keeping arms and bearing arms (which you know nothing about).
"To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof." Specifically, with citation and text: -Which of the "foregoing powers" - the previous 17 clauses - gives the federal government the power to regulate arms? -Which of the "powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof" gives the federal government the power to regulate arms? The elastic clause, see, only gives Congress the power to create laws with respect to powers given to the federal government by the Constitution. If it It took you a long time to research the validity of you arguments, you'd know that. Write it down on a Post It Note and glue it to your monitor. So you don't forget it again.
For the love of God man. The necessary and proper clause does not grant a power to do anything. It grants a power to make laws which are in service to the powers granted to them by the remainder of art 1 sec 8. You don't cite necessary and proper by itself, you cite a power and then cite necessary and proper to show you are enabled to do what you did in service of that granted power. If challenged, depending on what power you're talking about and what rights it effects and exactly what you did to serve that power and effect those rights, that's when levels of scrutiny come in. To determine if an exercise was indeed necessary and proper. https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/usrep/usrep361/usrep361234/usrep361234.pdf https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S8-C18-1/ALDE_00001242/#ALDF_00015014 See Kinsella v. United States ex rel. Singleton, 361 U.S. 234, 247 (1960) (The [Necessary and Proper Clause] is not itself a grant of power, but a caveat that the Congress possesses all the means necessary to carry out the specifically granted ‘foregoing’ powers of [Article I, Section 8] ‘and all other Powers vested by this Constitution.’). Maybe its YOU who needs to write something down here so you don't forget. Again. Because this is not the first time I've told you this. Want to try again?
Do I also need to point out that the clause I quoted IS form the constitution? Your question is answered. I have never had any expectation that what is actually written in the Constitution carries any clout with people who believe that the Constitution refers only "the 2nd Amendment" and to other parts ONLY if they can be twisted in a manner that affirms the myth they have created around it. Anyway... different topic. Thanks for playing....
To keep means to possess. To bear means to carry ready for use, particularly in a military context but not exclusively. Paired with the people being a term referring to the individual rights of the citizenry, the meaning is quite clear. The individual citizenry has a right to possess and carry arms in a condition ready for immediate use for lawful purposes which includes but is not limited to self defense, hunting, recreation, defense of others, defense of nation, collection, etc., and that right shall not be infringed upon.
ALL of them. For example, if weapons were unregulated, the January 6 insurrectionists would have likely accomplished their goal to overthrow the democratically elected government. Again: different topic. If you want to discuss the Necessary and Proper Clause, open a thread. This is not the proper place, and I have no interest. THIS is about the meaning of the idiom "to keep and bear arms". If you can't rebut my arguments, then my point is made.
Wrong! "... this Constitution" means ALL the Constitution. But off-topic. http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-and-bear-arms.586083/page-44#post-1073882125
That's not how constitutional law works. You'll need to cite an actual line in art 1 sec 8 and explain why that gives them the right to regulate private ownership of firearms despite the plain language of the 2nd amendment categorically and explicitly making clear they do not have such a power. You're the one who brought necessary and proper up, first. You're also the one who doesn't understand the law around it, and fails to read the entire sentence.
Kinsella v. United States ex rel. Singleton, 361 U.S. 234, 247 (1960) (The [Necessary and Proper Clause] is not itself a grant of power, but a caveat that the Congress possesses all the means necessary to carry out the specifically granted ‘foregoing’ powers of [Article I, Section 8] ‘and all other Powers vested by this Constitution.’). ^ Argue with the court case, not with me.
Specifically, with citation and text: -Which of the "foregoing powers" - the previous 17 clauses - gives the federal government the power to regulate arms? -Which of the "powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof" gives the federal government the power to regulate arms? Since it took you a long time to research the validity of your arguments, you should have no issue presenting this information.
I need to do NOTHING other than to demonstrate that "... keep and bear arms" refers to a military scenario. Which I already did (or, actually, historians did, and I summarized) on the OP. And which, after 44 pages, nobody has rebutted.
Done! And I only responded to your off-topic because it was easy. All I had to do was change to bold and enlarge the part of your response that does this.
Look at you, trying desperately to back away quickly from your Elastic Clause embarrassment. Did you put that post-in note on your monitor, so you don't make the same mistake again? ^^^^ Obvious lie is obvious
Hmmm... I wonder what that means... her·e·sy /ˈherəsē/ noun belief or opinion contrary to orthodox religious (especially Christian) doctrine... Oh! Now I get it! There is a forum to discuss religious beliefs. This one is NOT IT!
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