English flag banned in England: Might 'offend' Muslims

The centuries old flag of England has been rejected by a local town council on the grounds the red cross on white background English colors may be "inappropriate" and "offensive" to Muslims, as reported by the on-line news portal The Bristol Post (of Great Britain) on 16 May, 2013.

The town council of Radstock in Southwest England, has elected to pass on purchasing a new flag of England, correctly known as The St. George's Cross.

Councillor Eleanor Jackson, a university lecturer and teacher, stated that due to the English national flag was used by English troops during the Crusades of the 11th, 12th and 13th centuries just possibly could mean the beloved English Red & White may be seen by some as offensive.

As Councillor Jackson stated:

My big problem is that it is offensive to some Muslims but even more so that it has been hijacked by the far right.

http://www.examiner.com/article/english-flag-banned-england-might-offend-muslims

The interesting decision. But isn’t it too tolerant one? And what will be the next move? Some Muslims don’t like when women who don’t wear paranja.

 

My concern with stuff like this is have any Muslims actually complained? Has anyone asked Muslims how they might feel? All the actions of councils like this are doing is marginalizing Muslims

 

Another ridiculous action like fighting against Xmas trees etc.

 

The St George isn't actually English. An English flag would be, for example, a Golden Wyvern. Its amusing, mind you, that bigots have adopted the St George. Got to have a laugh at their ignorance and tacit support for immigration

 

Westerners tend to try shoehorning other peoples with other traditions and cultures and ways of doing things into OUR mental compartments.

They are likely not used to helping decide any of these kinds of matters. Westerners are commonly called on to give their input or vote on a matter or act in a judgmental capacity.

I wonder if they expected to have anyone ask their opinions.

 

There needs to be a protocol in place. Sometimes it might be appropriate to fly the Cross of St George, much of the time it would be appropriate to fly the Union Flag. I have no idea what the protocol is in the rest of the constituent states of the UK but maybe they can help.

As for the councillor who assumed that flying the flag would be offensive to Muslims - as the Wizard wizely pointed out - did anyone bother to ask? It seems that the good councillor is suffering from middle-class guilt when there's no need. She may also be patronising Muslims as well, most of the Muslims I know have fairly thick skins when it comes to cultural issues that don't directly target them in a deliberately bigoted manner and also have a sense of humour that also encompasses irony.

All in all a load of old cobblers.

 

It's just another rabble-rousing non-story, keeping the fear alive for the credulous.

It was never banned, the one councillor quoted said she was more worried by the rightwing extremist connotations than any possible Muslim concern, and St George was a Palestinian.

From the original article linked from the OP link...

" ..."St George needs to take his rightful place as a national symbol of inclusivity rather than a symbol of hatred. St George actually lived before the birth of Islam and should not be associated with any hatred of Muslims." ..." From a Muslim spokesperson.

 

Bollocks. Usual Tom tit from the extreme right wing who are so desperate to cling to half truths and down right lies.
The councillor suggested that the Union Jack was more inclusive. And she was afraid the right wing nutters would appropriate the flag for all the wrong reasons Proof she was correct

Highlander

 

so, another provocative article

 

pffft... at banning some silly flag.

This is much more alarming...


Miss World Beauty Pageant to Ban Bikini Competition to Avoid Offending Muslim Population

 

trouble never comes alone

 

Does it matter whether any Muslims have complained or not? Does it matter how Muslims feel?

The fact of the matter is that the English flag should be flown in England and if Muslims or any other thin-skinned moron gets "offended" by it then it's tough. If anything, the St George's Flag should be flown MORE often in England than it already is.

 

My point was arguments are being made, that may have no basis of reality. Look at the tone of your post. Concern that someone should care what Muslims think in England. But if Muslims have no opinion either way is fuel just being added to fire.

And if we think this issue further we see how tenuous this councilors position really is. Virtually every European nation has had a crack at another European nation. So if we decide we don't want to insult groups with displays of flags, then all flags everywhere will have to banned.

 

Not a balanced article correct!

Regards
Highlander

 

Genoa is full of those flags ( it was the flag of the Genoese republic ), i would like to see anyone trying to put them down.
If some people are offended they can try not to look at it .

 

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That's because as well as being the patron saint of England, St George is also the patron saint of Genoa.

He's also the patron saint of Georgia, Egypt, Bulgaria, Aragon, Catalonia, Romania, Ethiopia, Greece, India, Iraq, Israel, Lebanon, Lithuania, Palestine, Portugal, Serbia, Ukraine and Russia, as well as the cities of Amersfoort, Beirut, Botoşani, Drobeta Turnu-Severin, Timişoara, Fakiha, Bteghrine, Cáceres, Ferrara, Freiburg im Breisgau, Kragujevac, Kumanovo, Ljubljana, Pérouges, Pomorie, Preston, Qormi, Rio de Janeiro, Lod, Lviv, Barcelona, Moscow and Victoria, as well as of the Scout Movement and a wide range of professions, organizations and disease sufferers.

 

The cross of St. George should be removed from the English banner so that all that remains is the white flag of surrender. I kind of like the idea of Englishmen giving up. That's a real good thing.

 

You exaggerate. A few politically correct Labour politicians have come out and said they'd like to give it up; that's all. Even the one at the centre of this story thinks we should fly the union flag ... which prominently features the cross of St George with the cross of St Andrew (patron saint of Scotland) and the cross of St Patrick (patron saint of Ireland).

I quite like the idea of you saying something not peevish, but I guess I'm going to be disappointed.

 

You're right...I do exaggerate in this case. The real point is the loss of traditional English identity demonstrated by the very existence of this dispute.

 

Oh, for goodness sake! What is this, find a nutter?

 

Thanks for a considered reply. It's appreciated.

 

So?

St Patrick wasn't Irish (he was British) and St Andrew (Scotland's patron saint) was a Galilean fisherman working in the Black Sea. I actually quite like the idea that every time the Paddies celebrate St Patrick's Day every year they are actually celebrating a Brit.

The only people in the British Isles who have a patron saint from their own nation are the Welsh. St David was a 6th Century Welsh bishop of Menevia, which is now the city known as St Davids in his honour, the UK's smallest city.

 

The English flag the Union flag are being demonised simply because the EU (a step towards the NWO) don't want individual nations with individual identities. They want a federal super-state under the total control of the unelected. Yes, the ST George cross and the Union flag were used by the far right. But the Tricolour was used by the IRA, and if you went to an Irish national parade and told them to take it down for fear of offending anyone they'd probably think you'd just escaped from the nearest nut-house, or quite rightly tell you to mind your own business.

Most people of differing religions and ancestral/family backgrounds get on perfectly well together. The problem is the loud minority (which mainly consists of white wealthy people who think they know what's best for the rest of us). We have a religion of overpaid busybodies and stasi-type councils who exist purely to be offended on our behalf without even bothering to ask us if we were actually offended by this week's "racist/sexist/anti-Martian" thing.

And incidentally, isn't Militant Islam far-right?