Enough is enough.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Lee Atwater, Nov 22, 2021.

  1. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    Don't bother. I already asked @Lee Atwater to explain what the "fact" is that is being factchecked in that article...radio silence.
     
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    Joe knows, with due respect, Trump's saying 'go peacefully' didn't placate what he was saying for months on end at rallies, that 'dems stole the election'. On 1/6, the overall 'riot' was due, ultimately, to Trump's continuous incendiary acts, comments, mentions, speeches, on 1/6, and back covering over a period of many months, of which the predominant message was 'democrats stole the election' and that lie began before the first ballot was cast, inculcated in the minds and hearts of his follows long and hard, to such an extent, that it caused a welling up of what can rightfully be characterized as a juggernaut of rage, erupting in volcanic fashion on 1/6, resulting in several deaths and millions of worth of property damaged, some property stolen, and trespassing of the offices of congresspersons and senators and the terrorizing of persons thereby, and the delay of several hours of the constitutional proceedings.

    If you are holding a bomb, and light the fuse, it won't matter if you say 'peace on earth', the bomb is still going to blast.
    Trump created that bomb by inculcating into the hearts and minds of his followers that the election was stolen, over and over and over and over again at every rally, and lit the fuse when he said 'you can't be weak, you have to fight, and fight like hell' to 'take back yuor country at the capitol' and spent a lot of time whipping up the crowd, and then Giuliani saying 'trial by combat' and with that juggernaut of rage it caused, saying 'go peacefully' is going to go in one ear and out the other.
     
  3. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Many, such as:

    Yet the first installment of the three-part documentary, titled "Patriot Purge," advances several conspiracy theories about the insurrection, including that the violence of the day was spurred on by left-wing instigators

    https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/jan/07/theres-no-proof-antifa-stormed-capitol-rumor-sprea/

    and agent provocateurs in disguise, and that the siege may have been a trap orchestrated by the FBI.

    https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/jun/18/why-new-false-flag-conspiracy-theory-fbi-orchestra/
     
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  4. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Carlson provided no evidence to explain how "millions of Americans" are getting stripped of their "core constitutional rights." Regardless, the claim is far from accurate. And the hundreds of charges brought after Jan. 6 were handed down to people who broke laws as they stormed the Capitol, clashed with police and disrupted congressional proceedings in an effort to overturn the 2020 election results.
    Neither did you.
     
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    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    ""Carlson provided no evidence""
    How would you know what Tucker did or did not do... you never watched the documentary.
     
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  6. Lil Mike

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    These have nothing to do with the documentary. You didn't provide what claims the documentary made or how your links rebut them. Stop embarrassing yourself.
     
  7. Lil Mike

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    So Carlson provided no evidence to support...his opinion? Shades of Michael Moore! You've been Blackfished son.
     
  8. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Was that supposed to be a persuasive defense of Tucker's horseshit? That he formed opinions he expressed as facts but has no evidence to back them up. You should just go now.
     
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    """millions of Americans" are getting stripped of their "core constitutional rights."""
    Please tell us what the "main core" in his documentary was about...
     
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    He "expressed as facts?" You have not even seen the documentary! You don't know what was actually "expressed as facts" and since you are never going to watch the documentary, you never will. Can't you go to one of your talking point sites to get some actual critiques on the documentary?

    For the record, I've not even bothered to defend Tucker since I admit I've not seen the documentary, I've simply pointed out your gross error of factcheck without any facts. That's common for the "factcheck" biz, which is why you should actually read the factcheck to determine what the actual "fact" is being checked, as you originally failed to do.
     
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    Do you know what this means to """millions of Americans" are getting stripped of their "core constitutional rights."""

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  12. Lee Atwater

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    And I've pointed out how your assertion is a steaming pile. There are a number of links that have been provided to you in this thread factually proving how Carlson's false flag nonsense as well as claiming the FBI was behind the Capital riot are overt lies. Get back to me when you have something other than word salad.
     
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    ""There are a number of links that have been provided to you in this thread factually""
    They have proven no such things... Get back to us when you have done your own research and proven your claims...
     
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  14. Lil Mike

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    And this folks, is where the antagonist refers to previously responded to links as "factual!"
     
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    The politifact link directly is refutation to the Carlson documentary on the points referenced.

    I'm not going to watch an entire Tucker Carlson anything, he's a loon. A waste of time.

    Look up the word embarrassing, your misuse of it is embarrassing for you.
     
  16. Lil Mike

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    It's perfectly fine if you don't want to watch the documentary. I've no interest either, but I'm not trying to misrepresent Politifact links as fact-checking the documentary. The two you posted had nothing to do with the documentary, and in fact one of them was posted on January 7th, long before much in the way of "facts" was known.

    So either you were being deceptive in trying to represent these Polifact links as fact checking the documentary, or you just don't know any better.

    I'm being generous and assume there was no deceitful intent; you just don't know what you're talking about.
     
  17. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But..........they did fact check the lies in Tucker's special. You know..........the ones Goldberg, Hayes, and other employees at Faux objected to, like Baier and Wallace.
     
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    If that's the bullshit you want to espouse on Trump. How the hell do you reconcile left leaning media and politicians in gas lighting black people to riot and violence because they've been convinced everything is suddenly racist...

    And if you wanna do a quick comp...Kenosha had upwards of 50 mil in damages alone. The Jan 6th riots? 1.5 mil

    So please tell me why I should care about your bias hot take that the world almost ended Jan 6th when riots and violence continue all around us because left leaning politicians and media won't stop with the everything is racist bullshit?
     
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  19. Lil Mike

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    Well if you are referring to the link you provided in post #59, let me re-ask the question I asked about it that you never responded to, In the "fact checked" statement, "Tucker Carlson film falsely claims Jan. 6 is ‘pretext to strip millions’ of ‘constitutional rights’" what exactly is the fact that that is being challenged?
     
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    I don't really give a damn, Tucker Carlson is a whore, lying for money, pedalling **** knows are lies.
     
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    No one is gaslighting blacks to riot, those are caused by cops shooting unarmed blacks and getting away with it, time after time after time after time.

    Waters one puny speech wouldn't have mattered one way or the other.

    By orders of magnitude in terms of damage to America, nothing surpasses 1/6 as 1/6 was achieved by the actions of the president of the united states, fomenting an attack on the capitol, the very seat of our democracy.

    Comparing physical damage is a red herring.
     
  22. ToughTalk

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    There are more cops shooting white people yearly. If all we reported on was whites getting shot by cops. Or better yet! Let's JUST report black on white violence for 1 year. (it is the majority of race based violence btw) what do you think the reaction would be from white people?

    It's called gas lighting. And you can't play dumb about it.

    As far as 1/6 goes...uhm? What was the long term effects? What were the short term effects? 1 person died that day. (a rioter) No. You are not allowed to tally on any other deaths after the fact. That's trying to falsely pump up your numbers.

    The damage was miniscule money wise.

    Biden still was sworn in.

    Everyone involved in the riot (if you could call it that)is either in jail or has already been sentenced.

    Soooooo what is the "by magnitudes" that you are referring too?
     
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    I didn't see cnn lie about either of those things. Haven't read msnbc content lately. The dossier was real, established suspicion that led to a real investigation, and it turns out the sources were wrong. It happens. CNN objectively presented rittenhouse and I was convinced the shootings were justified based upon their factual reporting of both sides.
     
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    So?

    I"m just explaining to you WHY blacks are rioting.

    I am NOT explaining to you why it is good thing or that I agree with it or that it is rational.

    Gaslighting is where one intentionally drives another or others crazy. Often by words, but it can be done by acts and deeds.
     
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  25. ToughTalk

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    So maybe whites should riot more?

    Or...maybe. JUST MAYBE...this is a nothing burger as when you factor in the extremely large number of police interactions with blacks (or people in general) there actually isn't a problem. That MAYBE, JUST MAYBE...the entire black population has been gas lit by companies like CNN, ABC, MSNBC into the false narrative that violence from cops on police is a problem because all they ****ing do is report on the few instances where a white cop was violent with a black person during an arrest.

    And why do they do that, you didn't ask? Simple. Money.

    Stories that garner outrage and hysteria generate more clicks, more interest, more ad revenue. Which is why they don't want to talk about any instances where a black cop may have gotten rough with a white person during an arrest.

    See, I can give you a very logical, sound reason as to motive and reaction to the choices left leaning dog **** media creates as it gas lits the left leaning voters into outrage and hysteria over everything. Much more believable and sound than dipshit ideas like;

    "systemic racism"
    "jan 6th being worse than it was"
    "trump and russia collusion"
    "trump is a racist"
    "trump is a bigot"
    "rittenhouse is a white supremacist"
    "sandmann is a white supremacist"
    "anyone wearing a maga hat is a white supremacist"
    "smollett was attacked by two white supremacists wearing maga hats on his way home from subway"

    There is one side of the media that is constantly gas lighting our minority population and pushing the whiteness is evil narrative. And it sure as **** isn't fox news right now. All they have to do to create their own hysteria is to point out this nonsense which is mostly what they've done since Trump got into office. You get that right? All fox news has to do, is point out the RIDICULOUS claims and false narratives from left leaning media and politicians. And that's mostly what they've done.
     

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