Equality: The Ultimate Arrogance Of Man

It's not that black and white.
There certainly "self made" individuals, but I contend no one can succeed entirely without help of some kind. So, it's a matter of degrees. And, some people take more help than others, some people are culturally locked into a "failure paradigm". It may take helping on generation to pull the next out of poverty. AND, these are OUR Countrymen, can we smugly let them live in squalor and starve; we treat animals better.

I think we should be quick to help and slow to judge anyone that's never known anything but poverty.

 

It seems to me that there are some people who vehemently believe that a significant portion of the population deserves to be the underclass and somehow reason that they would never slip into that category. That's a sign of some form of mental illness, or at the very least are malcontents who love to spread their own self-loathing onto everyone.

 

Promise of equity? Where do you find that?

You need to stop with the "promises" and do what you can on your own. There are no guarantees in this life.

 

Tell that to the approx 100M people slaughtered during the 20th century to the tune of, "Think like me [the party] or die."

 

"There for but the grace of God ..."

 

Our Constitution guarantees "equal protection under the law".

Don't lecture me on what "I" need to do, worry about what you need to do. I'll take care of me; thx!

 

Holy crapoli! This is what you think represents “equality”?

I can see that you have absolutely no life experience whatsoever.

 

It's not guaranteed a decent standard. But the opportunity to have that chance.

 

I think I would take the Left's virtue signalling on this more seriously without this:

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How can anyone take the Left seriously on equality when they are in bed with China, a slave totalitarian state?

 

A proper system of equality guarantees that the lowest income affords a decent living standard and those who (for whatever reasons of initiative, education, family wealth, etc.) rise above the standard rather than the rich at one end of the scale and destination at the other. EVERYONE should be guaranteed a roof over their head, 3 square meals, medical facilities, and approx. 4 weeks paid vacation each year. That applies to even the unemployed.

 

Does not guarantee anything.
Just the opportunity to access those things. Without discrimination.

 

I am sorry but you are wrong. All of those things I mentioned apply as well as non-discrimination.

 

There are no guarantees in life. People will be successful. People will not be successful.
Success can not be guaranteed.
But opportunity can be given without discrimination

 

Well, you have your standards and I have mine. I am speaking about a real-life functioning system that guarantees all of that. If you haven't experienced it I can understand that you are unaware so I can't fault you.

 

If I haven't experienced what?

 

..... all of the guarantees I mentioned.

 

Correct.
I had opportunities. I had grants for college. Loans. I joined the national guard.
I was given opportunities. But I worked for them. Followed through on them.
And graduated college in electronics.

I was given opportunity. But not a guarantee.

 

This degree of corruption undermines pretty much everything Americans once held dear.

 

I do realize what the spirit of "Equality of Opportunity" means but I believe tossing this familiar phrase out there is disingenuous. There is no way you can come anywhere close to providing EOO because most of what determines success comes from within the individual and from their family. Even if everybody went to the best schools possible, the population would still split out along the familiar bell curve.

The best any society can do is to provide the greatest amount of freedom so that individuals and families can live up to their potential. If the community can assist in some peripheral way, wonderful, but other than having a well administrated local government, what else can they really do?

 

Or your money back?

It's probably about the best you can hope for but tell that to all the American citizens [over the past 246 years] who did not have such protection for all kinds of reasons. This is simply an ideal. The reality is another thing altogether.

 

Equality is never a problem. Equality is merely a democratic meritocracy (for want of a better descriptor).

Equity is the beast we have to guard against. That has nothing to do with equality.

 

Since Progressives aren't 'reasonable', it makes sense that they mean EQUITY when they say equality.

Progressives do not care for equality at all. Equality means a merit-based society, and they won't stand for that. They want everyone measured on the old prejudices (race and gender).

 

My friend, I told you before that I am not interested in chatting with you. Please respect my wishes and participate elsewhere.

 

And just as importantly, live DOWN to their preference. One thing the average Progressive won't do, is allow the peasantry full human agency. They insist on limiting the poor to one-dimensional 'goodness'. When people choose poverty, Progressives declare those people incapable of such sophistication of thought and self-determination.

To respect another at all, means respecting their right to be wrong. And if you're going to respect someone's right to make that choice, you have to respect the results of that choice .... else it's just lip service - no real respect at all.

 

What exactly is a democratic meritocracy?