Erdogan threatens Europe with 3.6 million new refuges if they continue to criticize " Peace Spring"

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  1. The Rhetoric of Life

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    This doesn't make sense to me.
    It's suggesting to lower standards for asylum seekers so they'd want to come to the UK - or something.

    Treating an already persecuted people like second class citizens because you don't want them in Germany despite Germany being in the EU and this being a problem for the EU 27 come Brexit since self determination means UK doesn't have to bother with EU's problems. Can't play the 'You're European Card' without asking Switzerland to pay Turkey or house them too. You have to learn what is Europe and what is the EU and what leaving the EU means. This is EU's problem, not Europe's.
     
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    You wont leave Europe, which means you will still be accountable and work together in all security, border issues, protection, terrorism countering ect.
     
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    That's a weak argument, we can start working with USA and turn our back on Europe if we wanted to. It's a problem for the EU, not Europe.
     
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    Its called push and pull factors. Migrants already are in the tenthousands at Calais trying to get into UK. Who are we to stop them? You sure agree we should not stop them and hurt their wish to go into UK.

    P.s.: Switzerland signed a protocoll which makes them pay for the Migrants in Turkey and also house them. You are not very educated regarding european politics.

    Self determination also means we dont have to bother with UK problems.

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    You sure agree thats not a one way street. And im sure you dont expect us to stop those wanting to go UK.
     
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    UK already pays France to help deal with this on a bilateral level https://www.theguardian.com/politic...445m-for-calais-security-in-anglo-french-deal
    you're talking like Brexit doesn't exist and UK must do something about EU's problem which means you don't understand Brexit and self determination. It's EU's problem, not Europe's.
     
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    You did not answer my question, you sure agree the UK problems are not our issue and we are free to not hold back the many ten thousands who want reach UK.

    Each month 18.000 actually who want cross into UK. The pressure has become so high they now even try to use little boats.

    But its also interesting you said you would not work united with us in terrorism fighting.

    So you asusme if your secret service gets knowledge about an attack planned on a german or french city, you would not work togetehr with us?

    Fun fact, your own PM says UK will change nothing reagrding your security and border protection politics and still be part of said programs.

    You even still be member of FRONTEX.
     
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    UK will sue France since this Anglo-French deal says we pay £44m to France to do this in France.
    Your logic just doesn't make sense; you want UK or Turkey to take care of your refugees for you and you'd pay Turkey to do it but UK does it for free?! - crazy.

    Just deal with it yourself you lazy German or force the remaining EU to do it, UK's out and this is between EU and Turkey.
     
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    It's up to EU what it does, and dumping them on to Turkey or UK isn't legal.
    You expect UK to do it for free because you see paying Erdogan wasn't the best of ideas EU's ever had.
     
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    In my life time I've never crossed paths with a Melanesian in America.

    But it could be that the Melinisan immigrant fully assimilate into the African-American culture ???

    But I personally know an Australian Aboriginal who gets pissed off when he's referred to as an African-American.

    It's all about assimilation into the American society, adopting the already established culture, customs, traditions and one common language.

    In the late 1890's America discovered that some immigrant ethnicities weren't assimilating and were becoming tribal and causing problems.

    So the most comprehensive study ever done on immigration was conducted, the Dillingham Commission.

    Congress adopted many of the recommendation but not all of them like capping America's population at 150 million or 170 million.

    But since some ethnicities has no problem of quickly assimilating while other didn't a quota system was established on how many immigrants from each ethnic group could come to America.

    It worked extremely well until 1965.

    Today, look around you.
    America is becoming balkanized with barrios across America and religious neighborhoods (Muslim)
    In California the voter ballot is in 12 languages.
    Black Americans have already fled from the hoods in Los Angeles and have moved to Moreno Valley and the High Desert.
    In L.A.you have Little Ethiopia, Korea Town, Tortilla Flats and just about every ethnic neighborhood you can come up with controlled by ethnic street gangs.
     
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    We are not Arab...problems of Arabs ...we don't care but we are creating safe zone for Syrian Arab refuges to save Turkey and to save Europe.

    Kurdistan means ethnocide on Syrian arabs, they stole lands of Syrian Arabs in the name fighting against ISIS. Those arabs fled to Europe and Turkey.

    No, you may go :)
     
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    Have you ever hear about Adana Pact was signed betwen Turkey and Syria İN 20 Oct 1998. That makes Turkey has a right to fight against terrorism ISIS along with PKK. Also naturally we have to be there for our security concerns since we have border with terorists!
     
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    You cant sue France when you are out EU court.

    Europe security is also your security.

    But thanks for admitting you wuld support terror attacks on european cities.
     
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    How were they going to cap the population anyway?

    I don't see the problems you are constantly going on about here (Baltimore). We have ethnicities, yes, but they're more interesting than problematic, and it's not them I see causing problems. It's the non-ethnics who start trouble and then try to blame the ethnics for just being there in most cases
     
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    Before 1965 legal immigration was kept between 200,000 to 300,000 max per year.

    Before 1965 1/3 of all immigrants either couldn't assimilate or just didn't have the American pioneer spirit to make it in America and got back on the boat and returned to Europe.

    When America got near to 150 million the federal government would run commercials on radio telling Americans stop having so many babies.

    I suppose America should have limited immigration to a few thousand per year when America's population hit 170 million.
     
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    Go to work and stop posting on the internet.
    You've got 3000000 more Arabs, sorry in EUphemism they are called 'refugees', to take care of. More tax, less benefits, gdp going down the drain and much, much more money to police which will do nothing.
    Have fun
     
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    What?

    Germany has 1.300.575 arabs.

    Hey what you think, since you have 20 times more crime than Germany, you think we should have 20 million arabs to fall on your level?
     
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    I expect parliament to reject the current EU offer as it is just May’s bad deal 2.0. The end result is it will be no deal and leave which really is the best possible deal as the EU has no interest in being anything but a bad faith actor.
     
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    You do know who thought the then-new 1924 American immigration laws were the cat's pajamas, don't you?

    Somehow, I can't help but think that policies that have been in place for going on 60 years and saw us become unquestionably the most powerful and prosperous human entity that has ever existed must be ok. But some store answering machine gave you the alternative of speaking Spanish today so we have to deport Salma Hayek. OOOKK
     
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    The main reason why all countries have immigration laws is to keep criminals and freeloading leeches out, protect the citizens jobs and to protect the country's culture, customs, traditions, language and the ethnic makeup of the country.

    Kinda look like some in Congress back in 1965 lied to the American people.

     
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    Were you alive in 1965, and sensible of what the world was like?
     
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    You seem to be under the delusion asylum seekers are terrorists, that you can't sue the EU or an EU country you have an existing deal with should the EU or this EU country go back on this agreement and that this is UK's problem instead of the EU's.

    It's the EU's problem if Erdogan takes your money and floods you with Syrians.
    Can't ask Turkey to take them for free, can't ask UK to take them for free, sort out your own mess EU or pay Erdogan and learn Brexit means this EU problem isn't UK's problem.
     
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    Come on. The whole EU have been cheating with numbers of crimes for years.
    You do not know how many Arabs you have because you cheat yourselfs.
    Rape ganges are running the streats and you say the girls imagine things.
     
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    In 1965 the only thing I was concerned about was surfing, girls and football.

    Just a couple years earlier I watched as 24 Nike missiles came popping out of ground from their missiles silos about 1 1/2 miles from my house. Pretty cool thing to see when you were 12 years old during the Cuban Missile Crisis so I was somewhat aware what was going on in the world at the time.

    Most who lived in and around the Los Angeles metropolitan area were unaware that there were 16 Nike missile batteries surrounding the L.A. metro area because they were out of sight and underground.

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    LA-73 was just a mile and a half away from my home.

    Below is what a Nike missile battery looked like during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
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    I was young but remember when French Indochina was divided into three separate countries, Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam. Then they divided Vietnam into two separate countries.

    You see one of my mothers best friends went to South Vietnam in 1957 to teach school. After 1962 we never heard from her again.

    And whenever they mentioned Vietnam from 1955 to 1965 they always mentioned SEATO but todays revisionist historians never mention SEATO.

    The first person I actually knew who was KIA in Vietnam was in 1966.

    26 from my high school were killed in Vietnam. I personally knew half of them.

    And what were the Greatest Generation thoughts were about the war in Southeast Asia ? Just another freaking police action not a real war.

    And those damn French, besides French Indochina, in 1919 they created this country called Czechoslovakia ignoring the ethnic make up of what would become Czechoslovakia. Germans, German speaking Checks, Bohemians and Slavs found themselves living in a new country that would some years later become the Sudetenland.

    At the same time the French created this country called Syria and nobody gave a **** that the Kurds were left out and ended up not having their own country to call home.

    The French and British balkanized the Middle East ignoring how tribal the Middle East was.
     
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    Ok and then you leave Europe via plate tectonics?
     

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