Eric Trump Says Nonexistent COVID-19 Vaccine His Dad 'Took' Worked Really 'Well'

Part of the show that is now, tRUMP's America.

 

Maybe? LOL.
Maybe tRUMP gets amped up on steroids.

Maybe. So convincing.

 

"The medicines that he was taking." (Eric)

YOU SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED THOSE WORDS IN YOUR FIRST POST!

Medicines are NOT considered vaccines, because they include snake rattles, puffs of smoke, and chants...

An excitable fracking kid, who misspoke, does nothing for me.

The traitors, and those traitors to this country like Biden that voted for them, made it perfectly clear:

"The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of [those that believe Eric Trump can say nothing wrong]." (Clinton)

What part of that, which was official statecraft of the United States, do you not understand?

 

I take it you never in your life called a person by the wrong name, or said a wrong word while thinking of something else?

Must be nice to be so perfect.

 

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There are therapeutic vaccines. We don’t know all the details of what happens during the incubation period in rabies, but post exposure rabies vaccination is certainly “treating an infection” based on what we do know.

Also I believe there are a handful of therapeutic cancer vaccines in use, and hundreds of therapeutic vaccines in various stages of development.

 

No is saying that

we are saying that what he took was not a vaccine

 

No, my personal life is not political. Something said by Eric Trump in this day and age of "alternate facts" and with his father trying to convince the population that there will be a vaccine before election day, saying that he took a vaccine when in reality he took treatments that are not vaccines, is highly suspicious, and a valid political point.

 

Who are you to say what I should or should not have included? I did include the link and it's all there. These words were AFTER the interviewer pressed him on his misleading statement.

What's your point? The issue here is simple: Eric said Trump took a vaccine. He did not.

Kid??? This MAN is 36 years old. In what bizzarro world a man aged 36 is a kid? The president does have a son who is a kid, by the name of Barron, who is 14. Don't excuse Eric because supposedly he is a "kid." And the issue is not if misspoke. The issue is that this is political hot potato. His father had been trying to convince voters that there will be a vaccine by election day. Then his son comes up and implies that Trump has already taken a vaccine and did well. If you don't see the political side of it, I don't know what else to tell you.

What part of it I didn't understand? I didn't even pay attention to this part of your rant because it is totally irrelevant to the topic being discussed here. Why are you going on about religion??? Observe that very rarely if ever I post about religion. It's not a topic that interests me to discuss in a public forum. I hold my religious beliefs in a very private manner. And whatever you are going on about in this part of your post, two wrongs don't make a right.

 

Sure. None of the Covid-19 vaccines currently undergoing phase 3 trials falls into these categories. Let's not unnecessarily complicate things. I can't believe you seem to be using *this* to defend Eric Trump. There are no therapeutic Covid-19 vaccines. Trump did not take a vaccine. Period, full stop. Saying otherwise, is misleading the population.

Analogy: you don't conclude from "there are several propulsion systems for spacecraft being studied in order to equip a manned mission to Mars" that "Men are already walking, today, on the surface of Mars."

Let's repeat: Currently there are no therapeutic vaccines for Covid-19. Trump did not take a therapeutic vaccine for Covid-19 (none exists). Trump did not take one of the preventative vaccines being developed for Covid-19. Trump did not take ANY vaccine for Covid-19, period. What he took was vitamin D, vitamin C, zinc, melatonin, famotidine, remdesivir, and Regeneron's polyclonal antibody cocktail. None of these qualify as a vaccine.

Maybe Eric's obfuscation is in the hope that a bunch of low information voters will hear this and think "hey, Trump fulfilled his promise that there would be a vaccine before the election; he took one and got cured! I was kind of worried about this whole thing of how he handled this virus and was considering not voting for him, but if he got a vaccine already, great, I'll forget about this part and vote for him!"

Not to forget, Eric's statement also suggested that Trump created the vaccine! I was unaware that Trump had suddenly acquired a PhD in Immunology with sub-specialty in Virology.

 

I meant alternative facts.

 

Eric Trump is apparently a moron. Posting information berating him that is false makes us no better than him. That’s my point. If we are going to criticize him, we must present accurate information. Period.

My post is in no way a defense of Eric Trump. It’s an attempt to keep those of us interested in truth to the standards we expect of Eric.

 

Sure, if one wants to be more complete and thorough, then we can include that there are no preventative vaccines for Covid-19 that are ready for the public yet in the United States, and there are no therapeutic vaccines for Covid-19 either.

The point here is not whether or not some vaccines for some very specific conditions (not Covid-19) have some therapeutic properties.

The issue is that Eric Trump lied about his father having 1) created a vaccine 2) taken a vaccine.

Period, full stop. These are facts. The video clip with his very words was provided.

 

I commented on an incorrect statement by another poster. That’s a fact. I see no value in a thread criticizing misinformation by presenting misinformation. I’m funny that way. Showing Eric to be a moron while doing the exact same thing he did is a waste of time.

I’ll add that yes, the mRNA vaccines now in trials may well have therapeutic benefits. We have pretty good solid evidence SARS-CoV-2 has the ability to interfere with antigen presentation in natural infections. An mRNA vaccine administered after infection would theoretically introduce antigen directly to the immune system bypassing this interference.

 

I doubt it. With the virus circulating everywhere, infecting cells, releasing genetic material into cells, hijacking cells with its own and natural mRNA by the billions and trillions of copies? Then we do a tiny inoculation of synthetic mRNA and somehow we get enough antibodies *in time to have an impact on the course of the acute illness*? Remember, Covid-19 is fast; the replication phase is often gone in days and then what we are left with is an OVER-reaction of the immune system, causing the cytokine storm that is often ultimately what kills the person, with the virus largely no longer even being a factor once its damage is done. I'd fear the mRNA vaccines if given to an infected person to be more likely to be detrimental, leading to ADE, rather than therapeutic. By the way, that's a preoccupation you have expressed yourself, in the past.

Maybe I'm being old-fashioned, but I'm more favorably impressed with the inactivated virus method employed by the Chinese to make the CoronaVac (that's a tried and true method). Remember, an mRNA vaccine has NEVER been approved for human use before, therefore we have no hint of post-marketing issues that might be encountered.

The mRNA approach is interesting and has therapeutic potential, but we are a long long way from finding a vaccine that would be therapeutic for Covid-19 rather than preventative, so frankly this issue of therapeutics is academic rather than pragmatic at this point. My point is about Eric trying to sell to the public the impression that there is already a (preventative) vaccine that Trump took.

Again, this idea of preventative versus therapeutic vaccines is only complicating this very simple situation. There are no vaccines yet, outside of the phase 3 trials. Trump didn't take any. Eric issued misleading information, which I suspect is not just a mistake but has a political agenda. We don't need to go into the details of the various types of vaccines and their different potentials to understand this situation.

If Trump HAD been given a vaccine you'd have a point; one might discuss if the vaccine had a therapeutic effect similar to post-exposure rabies vaccine (again, I doubt it; rabies is a very specific case given that the migration of virus from an extremity to the central nervous system is slow, generally three to ten weeks, although it can be shorter depending on site of bite and size of the inoculation). So the vaccine is given in the hope that if that particular patient is one of the slow migration ones, the antibodies will kick in before the virus reaches the brain. Did you know that in certain extreme cases it's been shown that the rabies virus took up to 2 years to reach the brain? And then, remember, it's not just the vaccine that is given. We give immunoglobulins too.

Now, compare that to the course of illness in Covid-19. Frankly, I don't expect the vaccines, at least not the current batch being studied, to reach a level of sophistication enough to exercise therapeutic properties.

We probably will get better vaccines in the future. The first ones will be the emergency ones, to try to curb the pandemic, which by the way seems to be picking up again everywhere in the Northern hemisphere.

 

Hey, Trump doesn't need those things, he's a stable genius

 

Someone who knows how to debate, and my rights in one.

Someone who also knows that some kid younger than one of mine said, "The medicines that he was taking," in very fast real time CORRECTION, clearly showing that the intention of this topic is to mislead by leaving that out.

YOU went on to insult Eric's intelligence, bright bulb, and asked if the was "dumb and unsophisticated," while the whole time leaving out that he said, "The medicines that he was taking," in correction of his use of the word "vaccine," which from the link does not appear he used again. So by all means, show a longer clip where he insisted, after the correction, it was a vaccine instead of a medicine (which could be a vaccine or a pretty colored rattle).

And let's really play with words here, the first one is from the link:

1) "experimental antibody therapy created by Regeneron."

2) "a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease."

So explain to us bright bulb how Eric the unwashed is supposed to know the difference between 1 and 2 (after the "or")?

 

Uh, dear, antibodies and antigens are very different things; actually kind of the opposite one to the other. Biology 101.

Again, Eric Trump only deflected AFTER the interviewer pressured him on the statement, and never corrected it, as the article says.

And no. Come down from your high horse. I did provide the specific quotes and the freaking video. I don't need to do your homework and you have no right to tell me what I need to write in my OP.

The guidelines from the forum say, link, optional small quote, your own opinion to start the discussion. I did that. You don't get to dictate to me what I say or don't say. You are not a moderator.

 

The following isn't about religion, it is about speech:
"The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of [those that believe Trump invented a vaccine and it saved him from Covid-19]." (Clinton)

 

I couldn't care less. Like I said, two wrongs don't make a right.

 

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I challenge you to find anything in my OP that did not abide by this forum's rules.

Can't find any? Then please refrain from trying to dictate what I need to put there (especially, you not being a moderator here). Thank you. Have a nice day.

 

Uh, <COMMENT EDITED> the intention of your OP is to tell Eric what he can say in his OP. So what right to you have to complain?

1) "Vaccines contain antigens which stimulate the B lymphocytes of the immune system to respond by producing plasma cells which secrete disease specific antibodies (Primary response)." https://www.technologynetworks.com/...n-vs-antibody-what-are-the-differences-293550

2) "The monoclonal antibodies from the two companies are clones of potent SARS-CoV-2 antibodies that can “neutralize” the virus in test tube studies. Researchers plucked the genes for these antibodies from humans who recovered from COVID-19 or from mice artificially infected with the virus." https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/09/provocative-results-boost-hopes-antibody-treatment-covid-19

CDC: "Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease."

You expect the unwashed Eric to tell the difference between a vaccine (1) and shoving a clone (2) in there to do the same thing?

 

Like you complaining about Eric not putting in there the correction you wanted in his Opinion piece thingy speech.

 

Russia has had a vaccine on the market for over a month now. Not FDA approved doesn’t mean that it doesn’t work; it just means that it is not yet available in the U.S. Don’t you have some floors to mop right now?

 

ADE is always a concern. I don’t believe either of us has found any evidence it’s going to be a factor in vaccines for C19 regardless of vaccine type.

Depending on the method of injection, expression of antigen protein after mRNA vaccination can peak in 4 hours and remain at high levels for 8-10 days. I can’t find any evidence they do not facilitate a systemic immune response. So it’s likely treatment with monoclonal antibodies would be more effective because they were chosen to be the most effective neutralizing antibodies whereas a mRNA vaccine would result in a smorgasbord of whatever the individual produced. But essentially the same thing is happening. More antibodies at work in the body than would occur naturally.

Remember, some people never seem to develop antibodies at all or their production is delayed. Monoclonal antibodies are touted as the solution to this problem. MRNA vaccine could do the same thing.

Even more import is the interaction of T cell regulation and the previously mentioned ability of SARS-CoV-2 to interfere with antigen presentation.
https://europepmc.org/article/ppr/ppr166823

Current research indicates early T cell production and higher T cell counts are correlated with less severe cases of C19. https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)31235-6

Also important to remember is presented antigen is what regulates T cell production.

So putting it all together, SARS-CoV-2 has the ability to “hide” antigen whole still continuing to multiply. Less antigen presentation in relation to multiplication of virus and cell death means T cell production is out of balance compared to a virus that couldn’t control antigen presentation. Thus we end up with severe disease because T cells are not adequate.

A mRNA vaccination would quickly supply antigen that would facilitate production of T cells needed but being suppressed by the virus. It should also be noted, mRNA vaccines inherently provide more robust T cell response than other conventional types of vaccines.

To be clear, I’m not claiming mRNA vaccines are a cure for C19. I’m only pointing out their usefulness as a therapeutic. I’m not the only one, research is ongoing in many areas to use mRNA as a therapeutic for different diseases.

I’m in agreement. I think the first wave of vaccinations should be tried and true.

I think the potential of today’s offerings are being overlooked. Eric is either as ignorant as most on the subject and dumb enough to prove it or he’s lying intentionally. Don’t know which.

Agreed. He’s a moron. But that doesn’t give us the right to make misleading statements.

I have a very good point. We have to be upfront and accurate in our dissemination of information or we aren’t any different than Eric.

Yes, in fact I’ve heard of a seven year incubation period. Not sure how they verified that or a two year for that matter. Yes immunoglobulins are given as well. And previous vaccination shortens the post infection protocol in most cases. But the fact remains, there are vaccines given therapeutically. That was my point.

I don’t know how we would stop them from having a therapeutic effect if given intentionally or unintentionally at the correct time.

Again, I agree the old tried and true types of vaccines likely will be and likely ought to be first.