Eric Trump spent hours pleading the 5th Amendment more than 500 times

Heh heh heh. You mean even when pleading it 500 times? The court has the option of taking that as a negative indicator against the defendant.

 

You can’t fake the fifth because it’s embarrassing lol
I’m all for him having this right, and I’ve got the right to make accurate assumptions about what it means.

 

Hmm I don’t think you’re presuming innocence for the prosecutor…

 

Correct. I do not. They aren't entitled to any presumption.

That said, I don't ascribe bad faith to this particular prosecutor. I doubt that she is just making all this stuff up. But she herself will tell you her allegations need to be proved, not just written out on paper,

 

In a criminal case? Not if the defendant asks the court for what is called a no adverse inference instruction.

U.S. Supreme Court; Carter v. Kentucky, 450 U.S. 288 (1981)

At petitioner's criminal trial in a Kentucky court in which no testimony was introduced on behalf of the defense, the trial judge refused petitioner's requested jury instruction that "[t]he [defendant] is not compelled to testify, and the fact that he does not cannot be used as an inference of guilt, and should not prejudice him in any way."

On appeal from petitioner's conviction, the Kentucky Supreme Court rejected his argument that the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments require the trial judge to give the requested instruction, holding that such instruction would have required the judge to "comment upon" the petitioner's failure to testify in violation of a Kentucky statute prohibiting such a comment.

Held: Petitioner had a right to the requested instruction under the privilege against compulsory self-incrimination of the Fifth Amendment as made applicable to the States by the Fourteenth Amendment, a state trial judge having a constitutional obligation, upon proper request, to minimize the danger that the jury will give evidentiary weight to a defendant's failure to testify. Pp. 450 U. S. 295-305.

 

Like I said, not a good analogy. Hunter also is not in a position of power or decision-making in his father's business. Eric, Junior, and Ivanka most certainly are.

There is no excuse for Hunter's behavior, but he had no real influence, and what little he did have is long gone. The Trump offspring, on the other hand, have allegedly doctored the books, exaggerating worth for insurance or sale purposes, and devaluing the same properties at tax time. That's called fraud, on a large scale. I'm pretty sure that's both a federal felony as well as a state felony.

I don't understand what you get out of deifying a family of cheats. We all have to pay our taxes, and most of us don't want to get busted, so we refrain from cheating. Shouldn't those we look up to be the same? I simply find nothing noble or honorable about the Trumps.

No more "what about the Bidens" please. Compared to the Trump family, even if what you stated were true, the Biden's are rank amateurs when it comes to lying and cheating.

 

Well, the defendant in a criminal case case can decline to testify by invokingthe 5th Amendment for any reason or for no reason at all.

You as an anonymous poster here can do so, but a juror in a trial is usually ordered that he may not take invocation of the 5th Amendment into consideration at all.

If what witness is granted immunity, that's different. But if he's the one being prosecuted, as we are hypothesizing in this thread, then we're way past him being offered immunity. I suppose the non-defendant Trump children could be compelled to testify if given immunity, but that seems a little far fetched.

 

Who deified him?

Straw manning his argument.

 

Do you seriously believe that Ivanka Trump doctored Trump's or his organization's books? You can see her doing that?

Why assume the worst? What has she done specifically to warrant this level of disrespect?

 

"I could shoot somebody and not lose any supporters. It's incredible.". Trump

Trump made a mistake in running for election. Not only was he woefully unprepared to handle the duties of his job, he didn't have any experience working in government. Yes, everyone has to start somewhere, BUT, he has always been a con artist. Con artists don't like oversight and everyone on the planet except him knows the US government is clogged to the gills with committees, commissions, a gazillion documents, various hands in everything. It's not the right environment for his level of lying, cheating, stealing and stonewalling.

It's clear that he thought all his private shiftiness would translate over. It doesn't.

* He can't just accuse somebody of something because he wants to.
* He can't just fool around with Inaugural funds and he and his equally horrible daughter can lie about it.
* He can't just price gouge his hotel rooms because Secret Service has to stay with him.
* He can't just invite terrorists to our Camp David, our soil.
* He can't just dispense with the Hatch Act and use our WH as his personal palace.
* He can't just have the best medical treatment in the world and turn around and snub his nose for those that don't have that option.
* He can't just put Secret Service agents at risk with his COVID germs because he wants to take a joy ride.
* He can't just call other elected officials and bully them into "finding" votes or "stopping the certification process."
* He can't just send a shout out asking his supporters to show up and manipulate them into committing crimes at the Capitol.
* He can't just take extra money from donors' accounts (he didn't even refund it until the court forced him to).

He did all this and more for decades with total abandon in his PRIVATE business practices and because it worked. Now, he is having a pity party and very public nervous breakdown because that's tactics are his only play.

Had I been a Trump supporter in the 2020 POTUS election, I would have denounced him when he chose to focus on his Big Lie conspiracy rather than allowing Biden's transition team full access to what they needed to get up and running quickly. We were still facing COVID and its variants, our military, allies and Afghani friends needed to be evacuated with as little loss of life as possible and the American people needed some concrete ideas on how they could stay afloat during these crises. His behavior is not justifiable in any way, shape or form. He put himself before all of us and continues to do so every chance he gets. He wanted all the perks but none of the responsibility.

Right now, today, we are still fighting our way through COVID, cleaning up our mess in Afghanistan, people are still not able to say their goodbyes to their loved ones and businesses are closing down permanently. And, yet...once again all he cares about is himself. A person with that kind of charm to move people could have done wonders for our country and he chose it to line his pockets and con people out of money for a non-existent problem.




And, at this point, I don't blame him. If anybody reading this is also familiar with running Al-Anon (support groups for loved ones of alcoholics), it is very clear that he has several million enablers.

 

and the IRS did not target republicans, they applied for a tax exception that was not meant for political groups... they used the word tea party in their name, a political name... thus they were set aside for review

if someone applied with the name "Democrats unite" it would be put aside too... as that sounds political - common sense

 

You can order jurors to do lots of things, but you can’t make them or prove they didn’t.

 

Well I guess those that do will just have to live with the fact that they violated their sworn obligation, or committed perjury on the front end. Not very honorable either way.

 

Those uncharitable characterizations do nothing to advance the argument that she personally committed the fraudulent acts alleged by yhe AG. She was out of her depth. So what?

I think most of us, including her, do the best they can with what they've got.

 

But… this is an example that shows that pleading the 5th is not an admission of guilt like it being portrayed here

 

yep, like Trump portrayed it, your right, and this is exactly what the left is trying to get the right to admit... Trump was wrong

no one should talk to the cops.... they are not your friends

we need to get that message out to everyone

cops visit our children's schools young to brainwash them into thinking we can trust them

older teens usually learn the truth when older and want to drink, vape or smoke

some learn the hard way, others by seeing their friends learn the hard way

 

You mean this IRS
IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/05/10/irs-apology-conservative-groups-2012-election/2149939/

IRS Admits Targeting Conservative Groups - ABC News
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/irs-admits-targeting-conservative-groups/story?id=19151646

IRS Admits Targeting Conservative Groups, Apologizes
https://aclj.org/free-speech-2/irs-admits-targeting-conservative-groups-apologizes

 

they never targeted conservative groups, that was fake news

 

Has Hunter Biden ever plead the 5th?

 

"If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?"

Donald Trump

I guess Eric is guilty after all

 

Most don't defend Trump. But they do hold people like yourself accountable for post that don't make any sense.

devaluing the same properties at tax time. That's called fraud
If you were ever a home or business owner you would know the only people on the planet that value your property for tax purposes is the tax assessor. NOBODY on the planet gets to value their properties for tax purposes. EVER. I don't even know where you could even come up with such.

exaggerating worth for insurance or sale purposes
Did you have some special law (nobody knows about) that claims that as insurance companies don't take your word for insuring properties. They use appraisals as well as comps. As far as sale purposes you can price your property for what ever you think the market will bear and there has never been a law in history that stops anyone from doing such. Thats just nonsense.

doctored the books
None of the Trumps do their own books. Thats just laughable and without merit to even begin with

We all have to pay our taxes, and most of us don't want to get busted, so we refrain from cheating
Trump doesn't do his thousand page tax returns. Law firms who specialize in taxes do. And they are liable for any fraud perpetrated on the IRS. Not to mention that NOBODY in the IRS has accused or even sanctioned Trump for fraud or tax cheating.

You are a victim of media hype as everything you have listed is only a product of fake news. Common sense alone would have debunked every claim you made. And I don't even like Trump. But you go ahead and blame the ridiculous claims you made on anything that makes you feel better.

 

So now you're claiming ABC is fake news?
Who'd a thunk, huh

Lois Lerner, who heads the IRS unit that oversees tax-exempt groups, stated for the record
organizations that included the words "tea party" or "patriot" in their applications for tax-exempt status were singled out for additional reviews.

Is she fake news as well.

You don't do much homework before you post stuff, do you.

You didn't even know about the 100 settlement checks the IRS had to send out to conservative groups. Did you.

The federal government in recent days has been issuing settlement checks to 100 right-of-center groups wrongfully targeted for their political beliefs under the Obama administration’s Internal Revenue Service, according to an attorney for the firm that represented plaintiffs in NorCal v. United States.

I bet you think the federal lawsuit they had to pay out on is fake too, huh.

 

yep, was fake news

 

I bet you don't even know what year it happened, do you.