EU has trade deals with 55 non-EU countires but not the UK?

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  1. The Scotsman

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    yup
     
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    ........:rant::rant:......:roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:..........its over now......you can find something else to get so completely and utterly wrong.
     
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    So long as our British cherries can still be picked by EU migrants we'll be ok.
     
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    Lol, no.

    Why not sell working holidays to Australians and other students from across the world?
    https://www.gooverseas.com/gap-year/working-holiday
    As we ween ourselves off of the need for cheap labour and reduce our farming to be more British with rewilding than an EU aggressive over farming agricultural policy leading to excess of harvest for mountains of butter and lakes of wine to keep prices high while people in the UK blame Tories for rolling back on Socialism instead of EU farmers who destroy produce to keep their pockets lined.

    The more I see the EU, the more it reminds me of The Third Reich, and this unified Europe has no ideals for freedom or democracy having seen France, NL and Ireland reject the Lisbon Treaty in ignored 2005 referendums.
     
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    Butter mountains?
    I think you are about 30 years out of date.
    The EU doesn't subsidise over production any more, they haven't done that for years.
     
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    Well, how they farm and subsidise is how they farm and subsidise, I personally hope farming in the UK changes from crop production to rewilding for biodiversity, flood mitigation and public land access (so the public can go into the wilderness here).

    Circa January 2020.

    Subsidies to farmers from UK government to farm like this when a percentage of farmers today have an income separate from the farm.
     
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    That has been happening for years.
    I live on a farm in Suffolk. The only EU cash that the farm gets is for countryside stewardship. All our fields have a 4m border which is left untilled to encourage insects and other wildlife. The EU pays us to do that. We also get support for maintaining our hedgerows.
    As you can see it's a small farm, 100 acres, with the largest fields less than 10 acres.
    The field structure goes back to Saxon times which means the hedgerows are over a thousand years old.
    Without the EU grants the farm could fail and be bought out by one of the local agricultural conglomerates who would likely make it into one big field of rapeseed.
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    I'll buy it!!!
    I'll grow Strawberries....none of this poly tunnel crap mind you.... the proper ones that actually taste of strawberries....not the pappy tasteless shyte sold in supermarkets.... I miss strawberries....
     
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    This deal with the EU makes it 59 deals for the UK, excluding the United States who the UK haven't began to negotiate with yet, or India - who are working with UK to get a deal and might end working on a deal it's worked on with the EU since 2007 now that it doesn't include the UK.
    Many of the 58 other deals are more or less the same, meaning UK outside of the EU gets treated like it's inside the EU (cake and eat it moment perhaps)?
    Some of these deals are temporary, like the UK Norway deal.
    Norway themselves wish to renegotiate and distance from Brussels in 2021 in their deal with the EU.
    I guess this deal with the UK makes it 56 deals the EU have now.
     
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    The best of all is ... you are now out of the EU ... Hoooooray!!!

    Everything what is now going bad on your island is your own issue and you can't blame the EU as scapegoat anymore.
     
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    Okay.

    Have fun doing your EU army, you can do what you want, and we can do what we want.
    I still believe the EU is a better doorstep to be off of than PRC China, so there's that to be thankful for, and if we diverge and you block our service industry, we'd sue for market access lest your Eurozone become a banana republic for your currency.
    Ergo, you stop London from trading Euros, you stop NYC and Tokyo as well, ect.
    I think I'm going to push for Singapore on the Thames here.
     
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    Showing again that you have no knowledge of anything ... and twisting facts, hiding parts of facts and building a fairy tale picture which so far away from reality like the next galaxy!
    But I am too tired to discuss such things with you anymore ... you are out, and we are finally rid of you Brexit lie kings and smart ass guys. It will be exciting to see who you will blame for your problems you have caused yourself in the future ... because you can no longer use the EU as a scapegoat for your own failures.
    So live in future also with the consequences and forget it to blame others as your own for them. Bye!
     
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    You think so.

    The Express, hailing UK 'independence'

    We're in charge now! Norwegian boats BANNED from UK waters during hardball fishing talks

    That is Sunday. This is Monday.

    Fishing fury: UK boats stuck in harbour after BAN from Norway, Greenland & Faroe waters


    They aren't even the EU, but no change in attitude from Express opinion makers!
     
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    Good luck with that EU.
     
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    Well ... another example of lacking knowledge of the Brexit media hate preachers I will say ...
    And funny is ... we have in Germany also a Bullshit Newspaper of same sort with name "Express" :-D
     
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    So?

    Germany can't even negotiate with other countries and the EU does not treat it like a sovereign equal.
    Saying what Germany has is like saying what Belgium has, it means nothing...
    I could prove it too.
     
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    And? What is your problem now? Ahhh ... I remember, that is one point of your Brexit why you did leave, because Brexit clowns are unable to work in and with a community but blabber bullcrap of nationalism and independence and so on as usual ... together with the glorified nostalgic view of the past of the British Empire when London ruled large parts of the planet .. but which is long gone and just an unimportant old man's meeting of the commonwealth.

    But again ... we are happy with the EU, you are happy now without the EU ... so live your life and we live ours.
    Only the article that @alexa mentioned shows again the total stupidity of the Brexit people, because Norway was and is not a member of the EU. But of course that's just bad EU propaganda again, I know ...

    Just like the truth with your idiotic red lie bus back in the Cape campaign ... you remember? "We send the EU 350 million GBP a week - let's fund our NHS instead ... Vote Leave" Apart from the fact that the 350 million in itself is questionable, OK, let's say it is 350 million ... this slogan is a total lie in itself!

    Point 1: Ever heard of the British rebate or discount?

    Here...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_rebate

    So in reality it is only about 248 Million GBP by your own statistic officials of ONP.

    Point 2: How much of the difference of 102 Million GBP is spend in your NHS again? Nealry nothing and this is your money and not Brussels money.

    And aside this ... no other one in the EU ever got such a rebate granted.
     
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    You obviously care.
    There was no criticism of the European Project louder than Brexit.

    Take it to heart, turn up on my doorstep at 3 am off your face and butt hurt wanting to talk about it if you want, but honestly, the last deal the EU did, deal number #57 if this thread's title is anything to go by, was with China.
    You know, China, the same China that's cracking down on freedoms the EU politically opposes yet strengthens in the rushed through 7 year deal where China's response to the EU about any barriers or hurdles was
    'China won't be lectured on human rights'.
    Nor why should it, the EU just empowered it that much more.
    Countries across the EU, have concerns with China's state influence on Huawei' but thanks to Germany's 6 month turn of steering the ship, has pretty much let the ink dry on that deal in order to make a deadline.
    The same China who promised UK it won't impede on Hong Kong's autonomy until 2047.
    Honestly, the EU is controlled like a lunatic with 27 different split personalities that change every 6 months and can hardily agree and the only medicine is to have all the voices in that crazy head of yours all harmonise and say the same thing, so it dopes you up and clouds your mind if it has to.

    Dumb project, stupid idea, and now thanks to the China deal is like the weak man on the team scoring own goals against freedom making them stronger against the coach's (America's) play stopping any united fronts!

    Way to go EU
    *slow claps.
     
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    As usual ... bla bla bla!
    Your answer on my hint is again your hate on China and your unproven blabber about how stupid and evil the EU is. Nice ... wanna know what this has to do with the Brexit lies like this stupid red bus I named!
     
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    You're the one who comes to a thread about EU trade, and lectures us on UK/EU history about rebates that other EU countries didn't get, and you stand there and defend the EU China deal?

    What is wrong with you?

    How dare you stand side by side with China after Hong Kong! After the slavery and murders.
    Yes, the EU is stupid, and what of it?
    It's a stupid system ran by a stupid people that your stupid pride seems to make you blind to.
    Whoever said 6 months was enough time to rule anything lied to you, like taming 27 voices in a lunatics head with drugs to numb and suppress other thoughts in order for this bloc to act as one.

    This stupid EU, wet behind the ears, with a stupid too way of governing gave Germany pressure against the clock to seal this deal with China.

    I'm not going to be lectured by an idiot who doesn't understand what thread this is talking about UK rebates and Brexit busses so blind to China and EU, sorry.

    You've got a lot of learning to do.

    The EU is young, dumb, and stupid.
    Too young and can't be trusted to go it alone; just look at this EU China deal.

    Take it from civilisations older than 30, China can't be trusted you **** wit.
    They never stick to their side of the bargain, ever.
     
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    What has this got to do with EU trade?
    You're talking about Brexit and busses and rebates UK got in the EU...
    Stop caring about the UK, we left, get over it already!

    We don't want to join the EU.


    Now, what on Earth was the EU thinking this week *back on topic* strengthening a regime like China; was it because this dumb system lets 27 people get 6 months each to control their destiny so one (Germany) wanted to seal this deal before the clock ran out; despite China never following on their agreements made with other countries; like that 1997 agreement China made with UK over Hong Kong; was meant to respect Hong Kong's autonomy for 50 years; they went back on it.

    The EU scored an own goal against Washington for China and is a fool thinking China will do what it said it will, therefore, the EU is the weak link.

    https://www.ft.com/content/2d759671-0b1d-4587-ba63-7480990f0438
    An article about how EU handed China a strategic victory.

    https://thediplomat.com/2021/01/the-strategic-implications-of-the-china-eu-investment-deal/
    A run down of how the EU hurt the side.

    It's not made up, it's well documented that the EU acted like a lose cannon and signed a deal with someone who doesn't stick to their side of the agreement.
     
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    What the hack ... ?

    The EU - China deal is great ... because every deal is better as no deal! You got it now?

    I'm going to be lectured by an idiot who has no idea of anything, blabbering bullshit and lies like mad, has whyever a hate on China and isliving in a fairy tale world far from real world!
    Everything ... really every fu**ing Brexit argument yu brought was totally destroyed by me with FACTS ... but because you don't like facts which destroys your fu**ing opinion, you blabber the same BS again and again.
    And suddenly out of no-where, you come now to shout on EU because they made a deal with China, because any of your former arguments are dead due to Brexit is done!

    It will be funny to see which deal the UK will do with China now ... because you must have a deal too, otherwise you will be in serious trouble with your industry for example. Do you know that 90% of magnets come from China? Do you know how much electric and electronic goods have Chinese origin, eh? Obviously not ... as usual no idea of anything with you.
     
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    Then why is China celebrating it driving a wedge between EU and Washington?
    Why is Washington pissed it stops any hope of a united front against that regime?
    And why, then, if China are so trusted, have they gone back on their deals?

    The EU is stupid.
     
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    We have a deal, we signed it in 1997.
    It promised us that China will guarantee and respect Hong Kong's autonomy for 50 years/until 2047.
    (A deal China went back on).

    UK also banned Huawei from its 5G network over security concerns.

    What makes you think we'd want to deal with the Chinese Communist Party ever again after that?

    I'm sorry if you hate me calling you stupid, but you really leave me other no choice,
    "You're stupid."
    and you can quote me on that.
    - especially when you try and tell the UK off for leaving the EU!








    I honestly don't get why you don't get that it's over, we've left, you have to let us go. You're going to have to stop moaning about Brexit busses and us leaving the EU.
    We don't want to join the EU.
    Pretend we're Norway now if it helps, but we don't want to join the EU.

    Although, I believe Norway and EU have a different deal to EU and UK.
    https://www.politico.eu/article/norway-eu-relationship-center-party-euroskeptics/
     
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