EU has trade deals with 55 non-EU countires but not the UK?

It's dishonest to say we're like France given we have rights of minorities and they don't recognise them and it's a lie to say UK and US are aliens when we're cut from the same cloth.
The only thing we have in common with France is a continent.
Language; No.
Rights, No

America now;
Language; check
Rights; check/yup.


You talk about feeling culturally intertwined with the French; even cite that English evolved from French; you can't deny that America speak English, a language that is for all and intents and purposes, English; so that's just shot holes in your argument of using language to justify being close to the French.
I point out the differences of France and UK in their burqa ban.

Just face it, you're an Americaphobe who cares more about FDA and MAGA 4 year Presidential Policy and will sell out our shared values and common tongue for aliens in France who persecute minorities.

 

I'm not an Americaphobe. France does not persecute minorities.
I'm realistic that America will not trade with the UK on equal terms. Isolated we are not on level terms with the US and any trade deal negotiated will be on America's terms. As part of the worlds largest trade block we were on equal terms with the US.
You on the other hand would sell us out to America without a care because of some irrational hatred of Europe.

 

They do; just because they don't recognise minorities and have to hazard a guess at their censuses on ethnic and religious demographics doesn't mean they don't ban the burqa (even during COVID) or don't bulldoze populated Roma camps because they do.
Muslim women in France will face penalties for covering their face with a burqa during COVID but all other forms of face covering isn't punished, despite France claiming it's nothing to do with religion and all to do with covering the face;

France will still ban Islamic face coverings even after making masks mandatory
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/france-burqa-ban-islamic-face-coverings-masks-mandatory/


UN tells France to stop forced expulsion of Roma
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...to-stop-forced-expulsion-of-roma-2064038.html


What you're saying about France is completely untrue and just because you've got ties to France doesn't mean we're joined at the hip culturally, because we're not; You're thinking of America when you talk about who's got our values and speaks our language

 

So?
Better US than EU, considering one's a democracy and the other's the EU.

Sometimes I'm all for kicking out the Queen, ending the House of Lords, and getting Parliament to apply for statehood to become a 51st state (52 maybe after PR or DC).. This country's far too Socialist with the NHS and BBC License.

This country's a horrible place full of ungrateful Socialists who don't know their history and say stupid stuff like we have more in common with France or Germany. We've got crap food, crap weather and hypocrisy that claims to be democratic but has stuff like the House of Lords; the Royals are far too privileged; there's rich, and there's posh, and then there's the Royals, a level so pampered it's surreal (ever been to a garden party at Buckingham Palace)?
At least if we was the US we could end it all, am I right?

That's just my honest opinion; this country blows; I love the British, but we're not given the freedoms we deserve. God bless London though, gotta love London.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/29/opinions/make-the-uk-the-51st-state/index.html
Brexit, an opportunity to become a US state.

 

...
Again, not bloody likely.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13704227/britain-halt-goods-slavery-china/

The UK is about to outlaw goods made in China linked to human rights abuses.


Also, right now, as I speak, I can hear Dominic Raab speaking live in the House of Commons (UK Parliament) about satellite images of slave camps in China.


Also, you really think UK wants a deal with China after UK and China had a deal in 1997 about Hong Kong the Chinese went back on?

 

I'm now really tired of discussing anything with you and your incredible immunity to facts that you don't like.

Has any trade agreement between the EU and China been signed? No! They just agreed in advance that they wanted to make such an agreement ... so it doesn't even exist yet!
Or to put it another way: You are already upset about an egg that the chicken has not even laid!

But I know ... China is the new Empire of the evil for you and therefore every agreement and no matter what it says and of what content in detail is just evil!
Only ... that your great Brexit hero Boris Johnson wants to conclude a free trade agreement with China since 2018 too in his "Global Britain" agenda and negotiations have been going on since ... well ... you are hiding that again in your typical Brexit behavior, in which such unpleasant facts are simply kept secret!

So in conclusion: EU - China deal is on same status and same content in moment as UK - China deal ... but you are OF COURSE only naming and shouting on EU - China deal!
Until you do not stop this stupid behavior and fake news spreading, any further discussion with you is wasting time!
And aside this ... what the bloody hell are you being interested in EU further and with whom they want to make whatever sort of deals? You are out of the EU and so not your business! I give a crap on with whom UK does ... so better you do too. Take care of your island, what happens there and not on others business! *******n it ...

 

Yes, it's been signed but not ratified.
It was rushed through before the end of 2020.
https://www.bilaterals.org/?china-eu-investment-agreement-to

 

I'm telling you what happened in the EU last week.
You're telling me what Boris Johnson said in 2018 (before HK, before a whole lot of stuff).
and I'm telling you what UK is saying today and this week with the UK outlawing Chinese Imports made by slave labour.

Up date your facts to be up to date with mine, and the above video is live, not 2018, but 2021, 12th of January 14:01 GMT

 

Bullcrap!!!

Shows once again your huge ignorance ... you obviously read far too much bullshit from newspapers like the Sun ... the content of which essentially consists of fear, hate, tits and the sports section!

FACT:

EU and China reach agreement in principle on investment agreement
The EU and China have completed negotiations on a comprehensive investment agreement in principle. This agreement was reached in a video conference attended by Chinese President Xi Jinping, Commission President von der Leyen, Council President Michel and Chancellor Merkel on behalf of the EU Council Presidency and French President Macron. China is committed to opening up its markets to EU investors more than ever before. EU companies are treated fairer in competition with state-owned companies. Subsidies are made transparent, forced technology transfer is prevented. In addition, China has for the first time agreed to enact provisions for sustainable development. This includes commitments related to forced labor as well as the ratification of the relevant fundamental ILO conventions.

The rules negotiated for the agreement set high standards in terms of transparency, a level playing field, market access obligations and sustainable development. EU work on planned autonomous measures in areas such as subsidies and due diligence will continue as a priority. Today's fundamental conclusion of the negotiations is a first step in the overall process; The deliberations on the adoption and ratification of the Convention are now due, and they are to be conducted in full transparency.

 

You do know China never do what they agree to do, and Germany tried to rush in this deal despite Human Rights concerns and democracy concerns.

Who do you think China are, UK?

Deal done or deal not done yet, you do realise you're trying to educate me on a deal the EU is making with Chinese Communist Party, right?

Who the EU is making a deal with, hasn't escaped your attention, though, right?

Do you do know once done it exposes EU's weakness, right?
How the EU is a loose cannon and a risk to the free world if this deal goes ahead, right?

 

@Mandelus
Let me educate you (again) with all the bold highlighted text you seem to enjoy.

What Does the EU-China Investment Deal Mean for US-EU Relations?

Explain the key outcomes of the EU-China investment deal.

On the penultimate day of 2020, to fulfil a pledge they made in 2019, the top leaders of China and the European Union struck the deal, which is officially called the “Comprehensive Agreement on Investment” (CAI). It was seven years in the making with 35 rounds of negotiations, and will replace the 25 bilateral investment treaties that individual EU members signed with China before 2009. These 25 pacts secured some market access and reduced some legal uncertainty for European investors in China, but they largely accommodated China’s restrictive and highly discriminatory investment regime. Now the CAI makes a step further to broaden the access and tighten the legal framework for European investors in the Chinese market, but it falls far short of achieving a “genuine level playing field” for European businesses and workers and ensuring reciprocity in market access, a major objective set out by the European Parliament in its 2018 resolution. The CAI goes beyond market access and investment protection to include provisions on environment and labor rights protection, but with regard to forced labor and labor rights, what it has secured is just China’s promises.

In a nutshell, the CAI makes the playing field less unlevel but, at the same time, it affirms an asymmetric investment environment that strongly favors China. Seen in a larger picture, the small gains achieved by the CAI are not worth the opportunity loss it causes. By striking the deal now and not waiting a few more years, EU leaders failed to take advantage of favorable dynamics that would significantly strengthen the EU position vis-à-vis China. The EU’s size as the world’s largest market and its high level of technological development could be leveraged to obtain more reciprocity with China. The Biden transition team has indicated that the new US administration will end unilateralism and seek a united front with the EU, Japan, and other allies in its trade fight with China. These opportunities got lost with the agreement on December 30, 2020.


The impact of the CAI on the EU China strategy is large and negative. It robs the EU of a huge leverage in dealing with China. The mindset it embodies locks the EU in an asymmetric game, the end outcome of which is “China defects and the EU cooperates.” The fate of the CAI will resemble those of the Sino-British pact on Hong Kong’s “one country, two systems” and the WTO admission of China. All these three pacts share the same strategic structure. Because China’s objective in these games is geopolitical gain while that of its counterpart is China’s cooperation, the games’ outcomes conform to China’s objective. I call this situation the “peace-lover’s dilemma” because its strategic structure ensures the dominance of the more aggressive player.

Identify the deal’s winners and losers.

In purely economic terms, the primary winners are big European firms in various manufacturing and services sectors such as the car, chemical, telecom, and healthcare industries, banking, and transportation. Major German and French companies that already have an entrenched position in China appear to be the largest beneficiaries.

Germany has leveraged its EU rotating presidency in 2020 and its influence in the EU bureaucracy ̶ the European Commission’s president and director-general for trade are both Germans ̶ to cut a deal that is most beneficial to some big German businesses. With the support of French President Emmanuel Macron, German Chancellor Angela Merkel was able to bulldoze the deal against some resistance within the EU. With this deal, other EU members gained a small free lunch, although they lost the opportunity to have a bigger dinner. But as they all are very hungry now, they would opt for the free lunch rather than labor to get the dinner.

How might the EU-China deal affect the incoming U.S. administration’s plans to bolster transatlantic relations and security alliances in managing China’s expanding influence across Europe?

The CAI reflects an effort by Chancellor Merkel and some other European leaders to assert the EU as a major pole in a multipolar world. A key message of the deal is “the EU is very independent from the United States.” But this assertion is applied to a wrong place. The EU and the U.S. share some common strategic and political goals: to achieve reciprocity and a level economic playing field with China, to halt China’s abuse of human rights, to discourage China’s assertiveness abroad. By cutting a separate deal with China, the EU has repeated the mistake of the Trump administration when it went solo in its trade war against China. The CAI will damage both the EU’s comparative advantage vis-à-vis China and its transatlantic alliance with the U.S.

https://thediplomat.com/2021/01/what-does-the-eu-china-investment-deal-mean-for-us-eu-relations/



I'm sorry, but no one in the EU seems smart enough to play country; this move shows EU to be lazy, wanting their lunch now instead of working on a better deal; this deal clearly is the EU selling out its morals and values, and this deal is clearly China telling the EU what it wants to hear.

 

I'm sort of rooting for this deal to go ahead, as I always said, the EU can be a banana republic for finance if it chooses to lock out London, the EU can still sell its money to itself and China.
I've been saying this for a few years, and now it's happening, I'm seeing the EU set itself up to be locked out of UK, US, Japan, Singapore, India ect... Everywhere except China.

I mean, yes, it angers me that EU empower PRC, but I won't be the only one and the EU will face the consequences of this deal in the international community by watching London undercut and out sell on its doorstep.

Who needs the UK/EU deal if EU will slap tariffs for Singapore on the Thames or UK taking back 100% of our waters in 2025?

So, yes, EU, make your deal with China, make it good.

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@Mandelus

 

I wonder, what business is the Falklands of any EU country?
https://www.euronews.com/2021/01/11...in-spotlight-after-exclusion-from-brexit-deal

Doesn't Argentina or the EU understand Brexit meaning the EU is a useless avenue to pursuit support for its cause?

 

I'm too tired to discuss such things further with you, because you are totally immune to facts you don't like in yur hate against the EU and my country.

So only a So what from me as answer to shorten it!
Is it of your interest further what the EU does? No ... you are out! So take care on your own island and country and not what is happening in the EU!
I give in reverse only a crap about what UK does in matter of deals with whom and whom not etc. It's totally uninteresting for me, because not my issue, but British issue only! Got it?

 

Brexit was about freedom, not about money. The EU doing a deal with China in contrast was all about money, and not about freedom; you want freedom to sell out your morals and isolate yourself from the world and just trade with yourself and China? Be my guest.

 

You believe no one outside the EU trades with China?

 

You don't like facts you don't like, but like them or not, they're undeniable facts.

EU have isolated itself in this deal with the CCP.

Japan, US, UK, India, Canada, Australia, all would rather the EU didn't, but if the EU wants to do what it wants to do and be in bed with the CCP, who are we to stop you?

 

I believe countries are weary of China, like Australia, Canada, Japan, UK, US...
And for good reason.

It's a peace keeper's dilemma the EU have; in needing to believe what the CCP told them it'll do.

If Brexit shot the UK in the foot, the CAI shot the EU in the foot, big time, imo.

 

@Montegriffo @Mandelus
UK and the EU are on the same page but Brexit has made the UK more efficient in Europe; Weeks ahead of the vaccine roll out thanks to less red tape meant UK can act quicker.

Standing up to China; UK has outlawed imports from China linked to slave labour already and the EU has MEPs who will try and block this EU China deal in the EU Parliament - for the same reason!

I believe that this is proof that big governments do not work so well.

 

I estimate thanks to Brexit, the UK is literally beating EU by 2 weeks.

I admit, the sharp rise of COVID-19 this time meant UK had it 1st and this time, EU is now 2 weeks behind the UK in that, but for other things, vaccine, thanks to Brexit, UK was 1st, EU, 2 weeks later.
Yesterday UK outlawed imports from China linked to slave labour.
I bet in 2 weeks, MEPs in the EU will try and block CAI by not rubber stamping it.

So far, almost 2 weeks of doing things our way, and we're pretty much 2 weeks a head of the EU now.

Same things we want, but now the UK is able to act faster.

I mean, I'm not really gloating here, this is just an observation.

 

.....well...that's an interesting concept. I'm of the view that China will allow entities to "stand up to them" until they don't - and when that happens life gets interesting. One doesn't bargain with China so much as enter into a Faustian Pact with them.

 

Hmm, since the UK granted emergency usage of the Pfizer vaccine last December before we officially left the EU and individual nations within the EU are perfectly entitled to do the same I rate your claim ''pants on fire''.
You really shouldn't put so much faith in the words of Jacob Rees Mog or his nanny and you should probably spend the 2 or 3 minutes it takes to verify the truthfulness of your jingoistic claim before you post here and remove all doubt about your qualification to talk on the subject.
All due respect to you of course.

 

The EU won't force CCP to sign forced labour ban before ratifying.
https://www.politico.eu/article/fra...d-labor-ban-before-ratifying-investment-deal/
Because they know they have no influence.

However, if this CAI goes ahead, the EU will also have no influence with US or UK or Australia or Canada.

I learned UK and Canada both at the same time this week banned imports of Chinese imports linked to slave labour... Meanwhile, MEPs vow to block CAI in the EU Parliament for the same reasons the Anglosphere were able to week.

The EU's @Mandelus seems to bark at me whenever I probe his EU; I guess because he's used to China barking at him whenever he mentions Human Rights to them; China tells the EU to 'stay out of it it's none of your business', much like @Mandelus tells me.

I think EU and CCP are a match made in Brexiteer's Heaven, proving what we've known all along.

 

And CAI Vs. what free nations are doing about slave labour?

...

You seemed to have missed that point entirely...

Tell me, when China joined the WTO, how soon before they ignored the deal?
When China agreed to 1 country 2 policies, how long before China ignored the deal?
When EU and China sign CAI, how long before China ignore the deal?

I for one couldn't care less what the EU does, it's just funny from this side of the Channel is all, because they're isolating themselves from the world and playing into the CCP's hands...

Bravo EU! Bravo!

... Just when you think it's all over, the EU sign a deal with the Chinese and isolates itself from the international community... Oh the irony!

.. There is a God...