EU is trying to close down the internet

Those evil bureaucrats in Brussels are trying to close down the internet.
They are putting a law that pretend to extend copyrights, but in fact will shut down and imply draconian restrictions on any shared or social media.
According to this law, anything submitted will have to go though censorship software that will remove anything it does not like (in their words, 'unlawful or copyrighted').
This will practically shut down any social medium that we know of and any information transfer such as Wikipedia.

In addition you will not be able to quote or link anything that is written by others such are newspapers !

This is by far the most damaging law on human kind I've encountered through all my years.

This must be stopped !

Wikipedia sites in Italy, Poland and Spain are down as a protest.

http://theconversation.com/why-the-incoming-eu-copyright-law-will-undermine-the-free-internet-99247

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Comunicado_4_julio_2018

 

I don't like social media and the role it plays in our society today, I don't like it at all.
At the same time I'm against unnecessary censoring laws because it can be taken advantage of.

But what is the alternative? There is also a lot of bad information circulating around on those platforms. Either leave it on and let it damage society, or just remove it all and let social platforms be just social platforms.

 

This is the same argument the Clergy used when print was invented and people started to learn to read.
You mean good, but the implications are horrendous.

The alternative is a free internet where gov. interferes only in specific and controlled places on case by case issue (if at all).
Global censorship will bring back the dark ages pretty soon.

Now I do understand Disney wants to many a few more dollars, but bringing a new dark age is not a price Humanity has to pay for that.

 

Do you not appreciate how much that kind of rhetorical trash turns normal people off any rational argument you might have?

 

Sorry, never went to debate school.
Besides, 'normal people' are the ones behind this.

 

It has nothing to do with "debate school", it's just basic common sense. If you really believe "evil bureaucrats in Brussels are trying to close down the internet", you're an idiot. If you don't actually believe it, you're a liar. Why would I want to discuss such a serious and important issue with an idiot or a liar?

 

Yes I know it's a delicate thing, and it's a thing that should be looked at in the context of its time.
But you do accept some form of censorship, don't forget that. So it's not entirely a problem of "ban censorship". There is a lot of things you don't want to see on the internet. There is no total free internet and there shouldn't be just like there's no country that allows you to do whatever you want.
Adding some sort of rules on what social media can or cannot do is not global censorship. In fact it's not censorship at all if you just remove all news related stuff on social media. You'll just be limiting social media to a specific function which is ok for me.

It is censorship if you allow some and filter other news content. This is very wrong.
By the way, isn't this what in fact social media does. They will let some content through and block other content. Basically give priority to whoever pays more? That's kind of censorship on their level. Don't forget social media is a corporation trying to make profit.

 

1. I do not support censorship of the internet.
2. Sue I get offended from what people write, but censorship is not the right way to go. I kills everything.
3. You can see how social networks today censor people in damaging and discriminating ways.
4. This law is not about social networks. It kills everything. For example, this forum will not exist when this law is applied.
5. What is much much worse, Wikipedia will not exist.

 

Given how biased Google, Bing & You tube is the internet is already being closed down.

 

You want to let pinheads in Brussels decide what is “bad” information?

I think that would be a mistake

 

I believe the first thing they printed was a drawing of the Holy Roman Emperor sucking off the Pope.

Hate speech. Times never change.

 

The dark net is already far bigger then the open net so we just move more sites to the dark net beyond the control of any government.

 

Do you have anything to contribute to this thread besides insulting others ?

 

You don't think some content should be removed or made impossible to access? That is insane.

No as I said in the last sentence you quoted, I would rather have all information removed from social media.

But in the context of news stories and propaganda, what's the difference really. Politicians in Brussels deciding what's all right or Facebook or youtube deciding what's all right?
Why would you have more trust in corporations than politicians? They're equally bad.

 

You opened with a generic insult against thousands of people and I was unashamedly direct in my objection to that.

I’ve some interest in the actual topic (though it tends to get in to too much technical detail) but I don’t believe the nature of your OP promoted any rational discussion (you’re far from alone; its’ been the nature of much of the politicised commentary on the topic). It needs to be discussed but without the wild emotions and ridiculous rhetorical exaggerations. Some discussion is clearly happening in much calmer and more relevant environments but that’ll be far too boring and bland to grab any headlines.

 

Do you mean blank pages where political news and discussion used to be?

Facebook rose from nothing and so can new competition to Facebook

But government is a perpetual life enity that has no rivals and never goes away

 

Sure yeah, also remove the blank pages afterwards.
Social media is big. Very big. A lot of things can be achieved there. So right now I wouldn't mind if it gets a special status with specific rules for current and future platforms.

Just because there's competition doesn't mean they'll be morally better. There's really no reason to think that.

 

If the EU does this they have ZERO right to talk about any kind of non freedom BS from either the US or China.

This looks like it is being wrapped as safety, but it is so authoritarian it makes me sick

 

So you want to only allow your government to give you propaganda? Definitely not how I see it....

 

Great success: Your protests have worked! The European Parliament has sent the copyright law back to the drawing board. All MEPs will get to vote on #uploadfilters and the #linktax September 10–13. Now let's keep up the pressure to make sure we #SaveYourInternet!

Well, we do have a political discourse, and we did protest, this îs not Rusia or China. The law was not passed, good thing

 

And once again a good example of an exaggerated report and post to an issue that is 1 million miles away from the truth and real problem!

The Internet is not a lawless space without laws and rules and should never be.
Such a point is copyright ... and copyright is about many things. Nobody seriously denies that copyright must generally be respected and is secured by law... and that also applies to the Internet!
Copyright also extends to intellectual property and thus also to the written word, image, sound and image.
When an author writes a book, he lives off the sale just like the publisher who prints it and they have the right to do it. If somebody simply copies it and shares it on the internet for free, then is that something? Exactly, a crime and she must be punished. In addition, there is for example also the right to images, one's own image of oneself and images that belong to one as possession. These rights must also be respected... or does anyone here want your photos to be used in social media for other purposes ... and, for example, the pretty Mrs. Miller finds her profile picture from Facebook on a call girl page as a photo of "Sexy Barby" AND NOTHING IS DONE AGAINST IT?

THIS IS THE INITIAL POSITION for which there is a new law, because these rights were not sufficiently protected and respected!

A tool to ensure this are so-called upload filters, which are used for example by Amazon or Google for their own purposes. Of course, you can always set such a filter as you want, ie hard or soft as far as acceptance is concerned.

However, the EU has stopped because of justified criticisms the whole thing once, because the legal consequences and compulsory distribution are inappropriately distributed. Let's see what happens next ...
But already in the EU you have to watch for a long time, for example, as a forum operator, what the members so upload everything and pictures, etc., because that can really give trouble for the operator of the forum, because he is obliged to his forum accordingly to monitor.

On the other hand, I find any criticism from the US just hypocritical and ridiculous! Do you actually know what social media is doing with your data and images legally in the US? Are they protected? Find out what happens to your data and how protected they really are. For example, this great face recognition from Facebook has really great backdoors!

 

It is illegal o copy and paste bylined or copyrighted articles or pictures here in the USA without the owners explicit written consent.Everybody does it just like they 8sed to download and copy records and music UNTIL the owners of said music began to sue them and win.

 

We should regulate social platforms but to a level, pretty much like our forum works.
I trust goverments will abuse the system.

 

Too late. The EU has you.

 

What could possibly go wrong when a small group of overlords decide what you can know?