Events similar to 9/11: Pirelli Tower, Empire State Building

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  1. AlphaOmega

    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And yet you never answered the question. Enlighten us with your middle school study of physics and answer the question. Which way should a building of this mass fall? Its a very easy question for someone of your middle shcool physics expertise to answer.
    Also, the debris being blasted as you stated was caused from the air pressure blowing out the windows as the floors above it pancaked onto them increasing the pressure. Unless you could maybe answer where else the air should have gone as it was compressed inside a sealed building. The only logical exit is out the lower floor windows.
    Also, the counterforce was corrupted once again.......when a ....JET AIRLINER full of fuel crashed into it. What is so difficult about that concept?
     
  2. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    What kind of 'fraud' did the NIST commit with the report?
     
  3. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    its not a negative, and its easily provable if you have the knowledge.

    you are chasing your tail and going back and forth, if you do not stop I will be forced to report it.

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    premeditated willful deception and breach of fiduciary duty, breach of trust, criminal negligence
     
  4. Brother Jonathan

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    Merriam-Webster - Fraud
     
  5. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    You demanded that I prove the NIST report did not commit fraud that is in fact asking me to prove a negative.

    If it is so easily provable then go ahead and prove it.

    I am not chansing anything but asking you for answers it is you running from them.

    The deception here is yours you can not state what lies frauds or deception are contained in the NIST report

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    What fraud is in the report?
     
  6. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    you are smoking some good (*)(*)(*)(*) if you think I am going to prove your claim for you, in fact I am not even going to tell you how its done, though its extremely easy, go fish. Thats almost as funny as your claiming the nist report does not claim to be fraudulent therefore its not. I damn near fell off my chair laughing at that one. People with little to no real world experience or knowledge rely on the dablunder sites and they getting into trouble every time.
     
  7. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    I never quoted any site at all.

    I asked for evidence that the NIST report is fraudulent and you posted a link to the NIST report.

    Then you claim you offered evidence.

    This is why I stated the NIST report does not prove that the NIST report is fraudulent.

    You cannot offer any evidence that it is fraudulent.

    It is not a matter of doing work for other sit is that you make false claims you cannot support and refuse to try to support
     
  8. holston

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    This is a good place to start:

    http://www.911review.com/articles/ryan/NIST_WTC7.html

    That's unless you were just asking more rhetorical questions as though there were no solid answers to them.

    In case you don't want to read it because your mind is already made up I'll be happy to post some salient quotes from the text.


    I believe I previously posted a list of errors that NIST made on another thread which has been closed.
    I'll see if I can't dredge those up in case you missed them the first time.

    In the meantime here's another:

    http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/789-groundbreaking-wtc7-video-expose-independent-investigators-reveal-critical-errors-and-omissions-in-nist-report.html
     
  9. Hannibal

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    Jojo running away again?
     
  10. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    asked and answered more times that I can count.
     
  11. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    BJ gave him this, I referenced it, he refuses to click on it.

    What do you think the odds are that someone who requires NIST to claim their own report is fraudulent is really going to go forward with a bonafide discussion?
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    simple question...what kind of fraud.....can't answer without throwing a barrage of lying truther links at me?

    Do try to do better
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    I didn't ask you for the definition of fraud,reverend...besides nothing of value was taken and no legal rights were surrendered

    try again
     
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    Here's another:

    http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html

    Obviously I can't post the entire contents. Reading those is the job of those who are TRULY interested.

    But here's the summary:
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    Bare steel in fire places and wood stoves "can heat quickly when exposed to a fire of even moderate intensity," but we don't often see fireplace gratings or wood stoves collapsing.

    [​IMG]NIST calibrated its computer model of heat transfer to the steel structure using thermally isolated pieces of steel. NIST does not appear to have taken into account the role of heat conduction within the steel structure in lowering the temperatures of the fire-exposed steel.


     
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    My apologies for jumping in so late. I haven't read all the thread, only the first few posts.
    It won't hurt to rub his nose in it again.
     
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    Name the "counter force which keeps things upright"
     
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    not a problem at all, help yourself!

    "The NIST report is not evidence that the NIST report is fraudlent"
    "The NIST report is not proof that the NIST report is fraudulent"

    and the real show stopper:
    "The NIST report never states this is a fraudulent report."

    Just wanted to let you know the absurd craziness you will be dealing with if you have not already seen it. Thats about as far out there as I have ever heard.
     
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    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    what a load of horsecrap!
     
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    David Chandler explains that in this video.

    David Chandler 2010 "9/11 Analysis"
    [video=youtube;f6JN9cwY_OE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6JN9cwY_OE[/video]
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm at work right now and I'm not going to watch a video until later tonight. Does he name the "counter force which keeps things upright"?
     
  21. Brother Jonathan

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    Yes, David Chandler is an excellent physics teacher. The "counter force which kept things upright" in the WTC buildings were the "columns".
    48 massive core columns and the much smaller perimeter columns.

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    Yet the core columns depended on the perimiter columns to maintain their structural integrity
     
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    That is not true at all. The core could stand all by itself. The perimeter columns depended on the core columns.
     
  24. Fangbeer

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    did you learn in your physics class that columns are a force?
     
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    What is the slenderness ratio of the central core?
     
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