Ever increasing costs of childcare.

The ever increasing child care costs have given rise to serious implications for families. While I do consider the necessity for both parents to work to get a family through while also depending on welfare is serious indictment on Australian governments of the past and present to inflict the governments imposition of itself on the family unit the ever increasing regulations which in turn raises the cost of child care in itself giving rise to some rather exorbitant price increases.

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/politics/federal/2017/03/19/families-face--double-whammy--over-childcare.html#sthash.J1YeEaCk.dpuf
If we look around the world by far the majority of childcare remains within the family unit which dramatically decreases the cost of childcare. However, since most people want to ignore their responsibility to their own children, the government has found a simply way to impose itself on the population with applause from the gullible.

OK, so many don’t agree with the governments course of action perhaps they might want to put up some ideas themselves. Maybe discuss new ideas and propose alternative for the issue, not just parrot their party lines…

 

You've got a paradox going on here!

 

Simple,
run child care centers as non profit organisations, under the control of the government.
As far as I am concerned, child care should be for free, as it is (or almost is) in some Euro countries.
Same applies for universities.
But hey, who would trust me, with my Green pedigree....
Regards

 

Firstly rearing children is a critical role for the whole of any society.
In the best circumstances families should be beginning of the village that a child is raised in.
Grandparents, siblings of parents all should be the first line in that village.
My veiw is that if you have the kids, you make the sacrifice in time and money for them.
Having both parents working increases family income but currently that is largely being transferred into spirally housing costs, which in turn decreases the options of not having both parents working away from their kids. (Child raising is critical work IMHO)
Child care is often part of a "statist" solution to domestic life, where nearly everything is moved from the family to the state.
Increasing reliance on the state to provide and the state to control.
However giving where we are now for me Child care should be sort to be co housed on primary school facilties.
Decreasing drop offs, easing transitions, better enabling support for child care and kindergarten teachers.

 

Extremely, heartening to see people really do understand the problem. However, making childcare co-exist with the primary school only addresses the issue for the short period of time that costs are reduced to the increasing level of inflation. As the rises on costs are up to three times inflation the savings will be short lived and the question will be posed again.

“Child care is often part of a "statist" solution to domestic life, where nearly everything is moved from the family to the state.

Increasing reliance on the state to provide and the state to control.”

This is the key to regaining control over the cost of child care as no matter which government is in power they continue to wish to impress their own stamp on this industry of childcare and education in an effort to raise support base.

Sounding cynical yet??? Successive governments look to the education system as open area to convince the people who is better and what policies should be the focus. For centuries, governments and leaders have all turned to children to not only preach their doctorate but to police it as well. Just look at Nazis and the effective way (no matter how offensive you might think) used children not only against their neighbours but their parents.

It is known that if you have people who teach children tell them how things should be, then the children will take that impression as gospel. Look at how environmental issues are taught in schools, sure many greenies love this ideal but hate it when it turns against them. Such as the introduction of teachers to childcare as a regulatory measure to insure educational value of children during the time they are not in the care of their parents. Ergo, “Increasing reliance on the state to provide and the state to control.”

Very good post, not only because I agree with majority but the respectability provide.

 

My own opinion is that childcare is a luxury item. Whatever it costs is okay, because it's always a choice.

If a couple cannot afford kids on a single salary, then they cannot afford kids. It's not the childcare that they cannot afford. It's absurd to deliberately bring the situation into being, then complain that it costs too much.

 

Double post

 

Hmmm,
I hope you make enough money during your working years to afford someone wiping your butt when in aged care.....
So only the rich should have kids?
Absurd...
Regards

 

We are approaching $200 per day per kid in a childcare center in Perth.
Yes it should be a society issue, because it is.
However,
our country has long decided to privatize anything and everything, firstly to pay of debt, and secondly not being in charge.
And what happened as soon child care went private?
Greed, more greed and more greed.
Childcare, schools, unis should always be free of charge!
It is the basis of a society, which looks after tomorrows people.
After those, who hopefully look after you when old.
Regards

 

Wow such an alternative ideal of the history of childcare. We all know the Greens have alternative history and beliefs from reality but this has to be the best hatred rant I have read for some time. Just to put you straight on your Greens action, considering it is the Greens who constantly make demands on regulation of the childcare industry, knowing the past of the issue would have been the first thing they should know. How much money did the government get from privatizing child care and could you site the party who did so???


Maybe in your search for the fantasy support, you might actually find out there is no such thing as free child care, maybe even find out the premise of the thread is to discuss how to reduce the impact of that so called free childcare is on the economic budget rather than just posting your hatred because topics remain above your capability…

 

If you can't afford to live on a single income, and you can't afford day care, you probably shouldn't be sitting on your duff and complaining on an Internet forum. If you have time to waste sitting at a keyboard, you have time to earn some more money.

 

Sometimes I really wonder whether you (garry) are for real.....
Anyway, nothing new that we don't get along.....

 

We're not 'rich', but we're safe. And we got that way by waiting 9 years to have kids. We spent the first 8 years of our marriage working our behinds off so that we could pay off our mortgage. We didn't go on any holidays, drove a clapped out old car, and lived in a one bedroom shack. Only when we were debt free and could live on one income did we start breeding. That's not accidental wealth or luck, that's common sense, planning, and hard work.

Edited to add that it's not about wealth, it's about planning and responsibility. We started with nothing. I'm not sure why others choose differently, but they do. 'Choose' being the operative word.

 

Cl,
our daughter works in childcare, $25/h. Should she shoot herself for not earning enough? Should she work let us say 12 hours a day to get by?
What is wrong with you guys?
Regards

 

So that is no, you cannot back your pathetic claim of privatising childcare, Something that was taking place before any government decided that it must be regulated and must be controlled by the government because they were missing out on the revenue stream of people paying cash to have others take care of their children. Since the government wanted to impose itself on the people in such a way it had to then make itself relevant in regulating who must be the child carers and how they must be cared. All you have is simply trying to pretend to be a victim... is it any wonder we don't get along...

 

You made your point,
and it is one I can applaud. And I am not saying people on low income should breed like rabbits, but the state has to provide some sort of social structure, where people on lower income can still have their kids in childcare. Because if they don't they cannot earn any money.
Regards

 

Sorry Crank but yes you are wealthy, I would hope that the future you see the way you have done things will come back and repay you Far more then having a big bank balance, as you travel through life. Wealth is not simply the size of your bank account or the size of your possessions.
The difference between the choices people make is most do not understand the value of things unless they can equate it to dollar terms. On these forums you see so many people who announce their ignorance of such basic things as wealth measures and so on with their ignorance of how to value life. So they selfishly choose to live like they are richer than they are and demand government fill the gap of not only their overspending but the difference to those who make better decisions…

 

But the state can't be made responsible for the DECISION to have kids in the first place. It's absurd.

I agree that once kids exist, they must be protected at all costs ... but I deplore non-thinking breeding.

 

Wealthy in terms of safety, yes. We're financially safe, for life. We don't earn much (now) though, and what we do earn is handled eye-dropper style. We still 'live like paupers' (according to our mostly wealthy friends and family), because we did it for so long it became normal. We couldn't see any good reason to change a good thing.

 

I created this thread in order to discuss ideas of reducing the imposition of the cost of childcare on the budget as ever increasing demands are being placed upon the sector.

There could be considerable suggestion that agreeing with your point is hypocritical to my premise but the truth is that this impost in cost has been one of the major issues of welfare created to buy the vote of the ignorant and gullible. Since we are in the minority in this circumstance we must unhappily bow to the majority, but that does not mean all must just allow exorbitant wastes just so governments can buy more votes.

Sorry, single parent pensioners who do not work should not be childcare recipients. They are paid pensions because they cannot work because they are looking after their child. What message do people think their child is getting when they get put into child care so their parents can just take a day off??? Child care existed long before government decided it needed to impose itself and create an industry which had no alternative to increase the costs of family welfare. The government decided it MUST provide early learning in these child care centres and that they must be accredited organisations again increasing the welfare cost of the family unit.

How do they pay for it??? Tax the people. Now here is where we see the ignorant and gullible announce how the wealthy do not pay their fair share of income tax and demand that somebody else should pay to meet their demands.

Before the government decided to impose its will on the people with the thunderous applause of the ignorant, people had the family unit, friends and yes sometimes even paid people cash under the table. Career people, managed to make ends meet and raise a family without the demanding government pay for their lifestyle and funny enough they raised a considerably successful group of kids to become decent and intelligent people.

Since government has change people to focus on what they can get for themselves, look how things are travelling. An ever growing lack of consideration of others, lack of discipline and a distinct disregard for community. We have large groups who must understand how criminals commit crimes, rather than protecting victims. More concern for the rights of the criminal rather than the rights of the victim. Complete disregard of how our reactions affect others and simply just how to be decent to others. People who would rather pretend they are thinking, intelligent, considerate, community minded and understanding by backing a cause which they considers makes them appear to be this way.

I would like to return to such a time as you point out, unfortunately, the pretenders seem to be in majority at present…

 

I don't mind paying tax, so I don't have a problem with that side of it.

And I'm not sure I see my position as a 'return' (presumably to some point in time), but I can see how it might be viewed that way in some places.

 

Not sure you got the point, it is not the actual tax, it is the point that while people are demanding such policies they demand others pay for it...

Just as above the point is not to return to a point in time but have the return of respect, decency and accountability of the past. I would assume you wish to have people start once again accepting responsibility for their actions and decisions, I had assumed that was what you were saying...

 

I never used the childcare system, however acknowledge it's a necessity for many parents. If you need a double income to pay the mortgage and bills or are a single parent you couldn't be without it.

The government cancelled the education benefit parents received twice a year to help with school items, $400 a year for Primary and $800 for secondary. Now they're increasing the cost of childcare, they are squeezing families from both sides.

Take away benefits so parents need to go back to work but then also increase the cost of childcare thus parents spend almost the entire (casual) income of one parent paying for childcare.

I don't think the Turnbull government is thinking this through. I never really liked John Howard but Peter Costello at least had the brains to consider that there should be somewhere for parents to turn. You either herd them back to work (low benefits so both parents need to work and government help with childcare) or you help one stay home (high benefits so one parent can stay home and government don't help with childcare).

What you should not do is squeeze them from both sides, especially since low income and single families are hit first and the hardest.

 

Malleeboy, I don't think that double income families are the cause of rising house prices. And I don't think it's fair to dump childcare onto relatives. Why should you have to make financial sacrifices to have children? Most parents want the best for their children, and living in poverty is no fun. It's 2017 not 1950. We should be able to have good quality childcare at a reasonable cost.

 

Peter Costello said"have a boy for dad, a girl for mum and one for the country"
Who introduced the Baby Bonus?