Every day hundreds of Dutch school children are forced to bow to Islam

What has Islam taught you?

 

That would seem to be clear enough. If children are to be taught about Islam there is no need to prostrate themselves or pray.

 

If you're going to debate or converse with me please do so, but don't bother debating with 'people like me'. I'm not responsible for the posts of others.

Christianity is largely defined by most people as coming from Jesus Christ, the New Testament and the Golden Rule..

 

Sounds like a poorly run school.

 

PR ? Islam and christianity are very diffrent religions, so it's kind of hard to compare them and have very different approach of human being. I would try to elaborate my point of view later.

 

Islam and Christianity have the same God. Most scholars see Allah and God or Jehovah as differing names for the same thing. Some muslims even say that Jehovah came first They revere the same prophets and Islam accepts many parts of the Old Testament, if not the entire thing. They even accept Jesus, as a prophet, and some may even see him as divine. I don't know if or how much of the New Testament they accept but I don't think it's much. Islam definitely does not accept the Trinity, (though some Christian groups don't either) and it has no priesthood as a major precept (no one stands between the muslim and God.)

How are they so different? especially when you compare them with religions like Confucianism, Taoism and the Buddhist tradition, which don't even have a personal deity.

One of Islam's major problems is that a lot of the older governments, particularly those under the Turks, permitted almost no dissidence under any other institution than the religious one. All of the politics therefore came to be seen as religious disagreements and the oppressive governments then entered into this area too (which is sort of where they had started from anyway). Then the Turks and the Turkic derived governments were overthrown in and after WWI. To call the end result a confusing mishmash is to put it mildly

 

You are in no way able to prove this co-ed group is praying, or even made to pray.

We already discussed the Netherlands is a free country, where forcing religion on somebody would be illegal.
This proves that no praying happened, since I haven't read that the teachers got arrested.

Again.. it's a free country. If a school wants them to teach them about all the world religions, than they can go and visit a mosque.

 

All schools are poorly run, most parents are rather skeptical of beheading and the auto de fe as punishments which are necessary if you want to properly discipline some children. Mind, most children will knuckle under with far less than that but the ones who don't become heroes and lead covert rebellions which can make classrooms torture chambers for the instructors

 

And if it was never against abortion to begin with?

So you knew folk who admitted that they didn't enjoy it?

So you thought that the only way that you could hang out outside and smoke cigarets is if your were an usher?

 

Wouldn't make any difference really; I don't believe and never really did

Quite a few

It was the only way I could fulfill my religious 'obligation' and satisfy my mother. Once she died I didn't go any more.

IMO the best way to guarantee an atheistic child is to send them to religious school like I went to for 10 years , though I was never cruel enough to do that to my own (and no, my parents weren't intentionally cruel, They were good people who did their best, they were religious themselves and thought it was good for you, everybody did then. Many still do)

What is the point of all these questions?

 

I still can't see the connection that you were making between hanging out outside and smoking cigarettes and usher duty.

 

How appropo you put "media fact check" in " "'s

 

The ushers also had to pass the collection baskets on the big poles and be ready to assist latecomers in finding seats. Between doing this most of them would just hang out at the back and usually go outside to smoke. They probably do it from a credit card before you even go in the Church nowadays, I can't imagine anyone in the modern world handling that much clinky cash anymore.

My understanding is that all Protestants have to have the tithe deducted from your paychecks, and the ushers wander about your services with long electric prods in case they notice someone falling asleep int the 4 hour sermon. Do people with Pacemakers get an exception?

 

Certainly not the protestant churches in Australia!

 

Everybody knows that all the services, and Snopes and even the wire services are all commie fronts. The real facts are all from the blogs and the nut o sphere, where we learn that people are still alive on the Titanic and Trump really did have thousands of invisible people at his Inaugural.

 

Keep calm and only look at leftist sources. It will be OK, just obey.

 

Or the USA. Probably read it on a "fact checker" site.

 

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The OP is just another in a long, LONG series of FAKE NEWS posts by forum right wingers.

 

Do you think that it is every single day?

 

Obviously those childrens are in position, so even if they don't do the whole prayer, that's already a start. If you want to continue to deny the obvious, we could argue if Egypt is a sunni country or if pope Francis is catholic.

I never pretended they put a gun on the head of children and said "now pray". But teachers and school have influence on children who are vulnerable people because of their young age and naivness. Abusing of this weakness is deplorable.

That doesn't prove anything. First, none of us know the actual laws of the netherland, and I don't even had a degree of french law, so I won't argue on dutch judical rules. I doubt that you have any skills in that field either.

I doubt it's teaching, it's probably propaganda as they will probably present the "nice" aspects of Islam. I doubt they will explain to the children that if they want to convert to Islam once they're older, they should think a lot to their decision because they could be executed if they change of opinion by a bunch of muslim countries.
One sided version of facts isn't teaching, that's propaganda.

 

Yes, those are both abrahamic religions. I don't deny they have common points, but they have many differences. The bible has a lot of different authors, the quran is supposed to be only wroten by their god. There is no food prohibition in christianity or particular body rules except for abortion, muslims are not allowed by there religion to eat some things and have to get circumcision like the jews, according to how they interprate their hadiths, some muslim even have to practice female genital mutilations.
The new testament has almost no recommendations about laws when islamic books come along a lot of different juridic laws.

So yes, despite having a common origin, they're both widely different in their structure.

From my point of view, islam try to moderate human nature, it explains how to treat your slaves, how to beat your wife in a proper way. It legitimate many horrible things but try to be fair for a middle-age way of thinking.
Christianity says to show the other cheek, that's can't be reached by mankind as our nature is more "if you're slapping me on one cheek, I will kill you".

In the end, christianity didn't managed to prevent disasters like the Napoleonic war, WW1, WW2 or the skycrapping homicide rate of south america and Islam tend to produce backwarded, poorly able to evolve, violent societies with a huge record of violence too.

 

I rate this post an eight for creativity.

 

Bloody superstitious drivel all of it. How can otherwise intelligent adults buy into it ffs?

 

So, it's 2018, Muslims are like Communists were in the 1950's.

And it seems people will buy into fear hook line and sinker.

Question; apart from being different, what have these Muslims actually done?