Every day hundreds of Dutch school children are forced to bow to Islam

I already told you that Muslims do not pray co-ed. Hence it did not happen in the picture you are using to prove it did.

Fake news since:
A) it did not happen
B) claiming teachers are able to demand praying compulsory,... can not happen because it's against the law in a free nation like The Netherlands.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_by_country#Netherlands

It's in their constitution that they are free to pray whatever.
Hence it can not be that you can demand something else.

You're clinging on to a fake news article. You proved nothing.

 

That's why many muslims countries punish by death the fact to leave Islam. Because freedom in religion is so important.

It did happen. And not with a tolerant preacher.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...rn-pray-mosque-popular-radical-preachers.html

There is a differences between constitution, laws and concrete situation. Stealing is illegal in everycountry in the world, but there is a lot of thief however everywhere in the world.

 

The most "beat up" story yet posted, just goes to show how bloody desperate they are. Notice the use of words like "probably" in the story, could also mean "probably not".

Keep up convincing us you have nothing

 

What countries punish by death if you leave Islam?

 

From your link . ..

"local media" unnamed.... Why?
"believed to be" by who ?

The words in the story title like "forced" were not found in the article, but then they don't have to be, they have your attention and planted the lies seed into fertile vacant minds

 

I don't know about any of you, but I had R.E classes at school.
This stood for religious education.
This taught me about most other faiths.

Do I take this for granted or does every country's public school system do this?

 

When I went to school it was very strict Christian scripture, it is what turned me off Christianity

 

When I went I had to sing hymns in assembly and was a pupil when the state intervened and separated the hymns out of state's way and replaced them with some old Beatles Songs and Boney M and Peter Paul and Mary.

Namely:
Obla Di Obla Da
Brown Girl In The Ring
Puff The Magic Dragon

 

That has nothing to do with the topic. You're just distracting that it did not happen.

It says they are forced to learn how to pray. That's not the same as praying.

If it's unconstitutional, than it means it's HIGHLY against the law... in this concrete situation. And you suggest that even though it's known that it happens, that all the parents and the Dutch government just let if all happen, as if it's a thief who they can not identify. I'm not buying that utterly stupid excuse.

Even worse...
Your source says:
One teacher said his school was visited by education Inspectors who questioned why the Year 4 classes had not 'visited a mosque yet'.

The Dutch national curriculum says children have to 'learn the main points about the religions which play a big role in the multicultural Dutch society'.

So it's actually the Dutch government who demands the Dutch children know and learn what religion there are. And you're willfully raping the truth here into that this is the same as forcing children to be a Muslim.

 

You're claiming that Islam is only freedom, I just prove that's the reality is at the opposite.

Seriously ?

No the constitution is a text that create limits for the lawmaker. It's a global frame for laws and lawmakers.

I just have shown that it's happening. By the way you're playing on words by pretending there is a difference between learning how to pray or praying.

There is a difference between learning the main points about a religion and "learning to pray" in a religion. Do they teach to dutch children that many muslim countries condemn to death apostasy ? I doubt it.

"
Afghanistan, Iran, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates and Yemen are the relevant countries.

All of these countries, except Pakistan, allow for capital punishment against apostasy, while Pakistan imposes the death penalty for blasphemy - including a disbelief in God"

https://www.indy100.com/article/the-countries-where-apostasy-is-punishable-by-death--Z110j2Uwxb

 

I am claiming the Netherlands is freedom. And I proved it.

Yes seriously. You can learn all about whatever religion without even being religious.

Negative. You can not have unconstitutional policies, like racial profiling.

Your opinion is that they prayed co-ed. And that is impossible. Besides that a policy of compulsionary praying is illegal.

It says so right in your own source:
The Dutch national curriculum says children have to 'learn the main points about the religions which play a big role in the multicultural Dutch society'.

You're just playing dumb. No way your English is this crap that you can not understand this.

 

Okay. And ? Because it was never a point.

Or without having to pray or "learn" to pray.

And who would enforce that ? Maybe, a parent unhappy of that would have to fill a report against the dutch state or the school and win the trial. Not everybody has enough money to spend in that.

No, my opinion is that the school took advantage of the emotionnal and mental weakness of children and made them something against their interest. I have no idea if it's just local teachers who abused of their authority or a general problem.

Interesting. Do they learn that leaving Islam is punished by death ? The risk to be killed if you leave a religion is I suppose an important point about a religion. And do they really need to go to a mosque for that ? Or to learn to pray ? No.

 

Amsterdam, 2018

 

Only one kid? Where are the others - they usually outnumber the adults at least 3-1? They're probably at their madrassas.

 

It is the point, since you claim children are made to pray. And that contradicts the freaking Dutch constitution, and you just wave that away as irrelevant. lol

It's even your own source that claims that it's a learn thing, buddy. lol

A Muslim hater like Wilders would never pass this opportunity.

Yes your opinion... lol
Your opinion is founded on a conspiracy policy where unconstitutional policies of your random teacher gets never minded, and in a world were Muslims pray co-ed. lol

HA... deflect away from the FACT that your source says it's a learning thing about religions.
Notice the plural in the sentence.

 

Still, the children were made to pray as reported the daily news. Or "learn to pray", which is another wa to says they were made to pray.

There is no conspiracy policy there. And we're actually living in a world where people are forced to stay muslims or being executed.

I think the fact that some countries and many fundamentalists would wish your death if you leave their religion is very important about the said religion. And I doubt they learn that in this mosque or at the school.

 

Nope. When you learn how people pray, according to your own source, than you're not made to pray yourself.

Not in The Netherlands, so you're ranting off topic and deflecting again. Hence my comment stands that your opinion is a conspiracy theory. You have failed to debunk the co-ed praying, and the constitutional rights of the children.

 

The children can learn how muslim prays without them taking the position. What's the point of them making "learn" to pray if it's not proselytism on people.

For now. It has to be considered that in some countries like Bangladesh, it's muslims who murder atheist bloggers for their opinions, so even when it's not the law, there is some people motivated to carry the sentence.

 

I have to again point at your failure that Muslims do not co-ed pray, and making people pray is unconstitutional in The Netherlands, and your source says they learned how to pray which isn't the same as doing the praying.

Deflecting again....

It is my point.

 

Muslims absolutely co-ed people in their religion in this world. You're just hiding the fact they prayed by "they were just learning".

Not really, it's rather important to know that a bunch of muslim would wish to kill them if they convert to Islam and revert then their choice.

Good for you, still not mine.

 

1) This is about your alleged co-ed praying, which muslims do not do. So you failed there horrible.
2) It's a fact that this is about learning. YOUR source... it is YOUR source that says so. lol

Bangladesh is so far off topic... lol
It's pure deflecting

 

I never claimed that. About the fact that muslims don't do co-ed prayer, apparently had a different opinion. Sahih Al-Bukhari 657
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "No prayer is heavier upon the hypocrites than the Fajr and the `Isha' prayers and if they knew what is in them (in reward), they would have attended them, even if (it was) crawling. Certainly, I felt the urge to order the Mu'adh-dhin (call-maker) so that he would pronounce Iqama, then order a man to lead the people (in prayer), then take a flame of fire so that I burn (the houses) upon those who had not left for the prayer yet."
From the very islamophobic website "sunnah.com". Seems that the prophet of Islam had a strange opinion on letting people pray not "co-ed".

Learning what ? Learning to pray. By making them taking the position and so pray.

It's absolutly in the topic. Do they teach to dutch kids when they speak of them of Islam than a bunch of muslims would be very willing to execute them if they convert to Islam and change their choice. They're getting an islamic propaganda and they're not getting prepared to the risks of Islam.
Forcing propaganda on children is clearly abuse.

 

You do claim, using the picture, that they prayed co-ed.

I dunno why you ask me what is stated in YOUR source. lol

 

Where ?

 

What else are you basing this praying on?