Every time you feel the urge to call illegal immigrants "criminals", remember this...

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    A while back I posted four instances in which Mueller proved (Act, Nexus, Intent) that Trump is a criminal (link at the bottom)

    Just as an example, here is one quote from the Mueller Report taken from that post (emphasis added)

    Mueller (Page 120):
    "Substantial evidence indicates that in repeatedly urging McGahn to dispute that he was ordered to have the Special Counsel terminated , the President acted for the purpose of influencing McGahn 's account in order to deflect or prevent further scrutiny of the President's conduct towards the investigation...."
    The law says...

    18 U.S.C 1512(c)(2)
    [Whoever corruptly—]
    ...otherwise obstructs, influences, or impedes any official proceeding, or attempts to do so,shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.
    (*) And to save time, let's answer the follow-up uninformed wingnut media statement: "But he wasn't chaaaarged! Therefore he's been cleared"

    Mueller (Page 1)
    "Recognizing an immunity from prosecution for a sitting President would not preclude such prosecution once the President's term is over or he is otherwise removed from office by resignation or impeachment"

    Nobody has disputed the facts in the Mueller Report. So Trump either becomes a lifelong dictator, or he comes up with some self-pardoning scheme which is unlikely to succeed, or he won't avoid jail-time.

    But the established fact is that Trump is a criminal! And I suggest you keep that in mind the next time you feel the urge to call for rounding up these American heroes who came across the southern boarder to save their children from gang violence.

    Here is the link with the four cases.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...imes-100-proven-in-the-mueller-report.556547/

    And this is why Mueller can, not only not charge Trump, but not even say that he committed a crime.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...even-say-that-trump-committed-a-crime.556548/

    (NB: If you post in this last one, be nice. We got a mod warning when Trump loyalists got rowdy because they couldn't face facts. Please. It took me a long time to research and I wouldn't want it shut down.)
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We are back to the Mueller Report. The dream that turned to disappointment continues.
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    You are not reflecting reality. The only reason that Trump has not been impeached is because Mitch McConnell is more corrupt than Dear Leader.
     
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    Call them what they are Christian Refugees!
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Whatever Trump did or did not do, does not change the fact that illegal aliens are committing criminal acts especially when they have been ordered by judges to turn themselves in for deportation.
     
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    Today's Orange Man Bad thread is a porrly thought out as yesterday's.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    So you found the Mueller Report "disappointing" just because it proved your orange idol is a criminal?
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    It's worse than that. Because it's not even thought out at all. It's just a direct quote from the report and from the law.

    There is no "thinking" necessary anymore to understand that Trump is a criminal. It's all spelled out on the Mueller Report. Quoting the report is all that is needed..
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But not in a court of law like the illegal immigrants who were ordered to turn themselves in. Personally, I just wish the democrats would just do whatever they can make up their feeble minds to do and get it over one way or the other.
     
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    Yes, we all know leftists, proper descriptor removed, just ignore anything they dont like.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    At no point have I denied that they did commit a criminal act. Do you deny that Trump has?

    Let's see which one of us is in denial?
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have not said one way or the other.
     
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    Living inside that MSNBC bubble severely limits the amount of available oxygen to supply their brains. The OP opens up with McGahn, totally oblivious to the fact that Mueller's come under fire for material omissions, and suspicious redactions of McGahn testimony, and WH communications. Even Pavlov would be amazed at what Maddow's accomplished.
     
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    No, just laughing at those who still desperately cling to the belief that it is the key to removing President Trump from office. Perhaps Hope Hicks...
     
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    Democrats call them what they want them to be, undocumented voters.

    Fleeing refugees usually relocate to the nearest port of safety which be Mexico.
     
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    I think I'll just remember when everyone in Texas called them wetbacks. Illegal aliens...that works too.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    They are not the President of the United States. You criticize them because they don't enjoy the same immunity.
     
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    Well it's getting harder to reach the top fruits :)
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I criticize not so much them as our reluctance to do something about, especially the democrats who are doing their darndest not to do something about it.. Our tolerance of this whole mess encourages what is happening on the border
     
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    Funny. I submit proof that the current President of the United States committed crimes, and yet we're the ones who, according to you, are supposed to be "ignoring" something.

    It would be hilarious if it weren't so pathetic.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    You did not answer the question.

    One more time.

    At no point have I denied that they did commit a criminal act. Do you deny that Trump has?

    Let's see which one of us is in denial.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have not said and will not say one way or the other. We have Muellers report which can be read numerous ways and which may or may not be true. The ball is in the democrats court. They need to put up or shut up..
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I have no interest in removing Trump from office and promoting Mike Pence. What I want is to see him in jail.
     
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    Well, genius, you put Trump in jail and you have Pence in the Oval Office.
     
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    Above meme relies on completely misrepresenting the Mueller Report's "findings."
     

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