Everyone driving electric cars----------what a joke.

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I wasn't talking about the market going 25% hybrid - .. agree that a hybrid can have 25% fuel efficiency.

    Was talking going to EV - so yeah .. different pages there.
     
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    Sad too, his ignorance cost him years off his own life. L7mbaugh spent decades claiming that smoking was no big deal as far as lung cancer is concerned. Guess he was too busy making * up sht to actually read up on medical science.
     
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    That's nice .. but totally irrelevant .. almost all major cities been that way for a long time .. one is crazy to try and commute downtown in a major US city or any city around the globe ... would take way longer and far more headaches to get to work. .

    so what is your idea .. ?? how does this advance us towards zero carbon ?? - suggesting something that already exists .. and yet every year the CO2 and Ocean Pollution equation grows.

    This is your grand solution ? "Improve our Subways" ... hey . . not that I am not all for the idea .. but a solution to the problem under discussion it is not.
     
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    I’m talking about electric energy supplying 25% of our passenger vehicle needs. How else should you measure. Right now, EVs are a specialized product. We won’t have them in 1/2 the country They produce little heat. But plug in hybrids ? You commute with electricity, turn to your motor for heat.

    It’s all about energy density. EVs WILL dominate in some climates, not in others. So, it’s a faux par debate about 25% being electric cars HYBRIDS are already electric cars, part of the time. It depends on where you live.
     
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    My grand solution is electrification and improve infrastructure.
    Please, hybrids are electric cars, part of the time up to 40 plus miles.....do you get that ? As their energy density increases, that part gets greater till it’s a full EV. That’s how major electrification will occur. It will not be by selling JUST ELECTRIC CARS. Electric cars only are location dependent.
     
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    Totally relevant. Subways have electric CARS.
     
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    why are you continuing on about hybrids .. have agreed that they are more fuel efficient .. you are just lost .. on a different page sorry.
     
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    Lost .. completely .. on a different page - unable to coherently address the subject matter . that Subway cars are electric .. is not relevant to the equation - in any significant way ..

    What part of .. we already have electrified the subway systems of the cities .. did you not understand ?!. in the most simple terms I can find .. We have already done that.. your big plan .. has already happened .. as stated to you in the previous post.

    Yet CO2 emissions and Ocean Pollution continue to increase .. Good Grief Charlie Brown. Restating "Subway Cars are Electric" over and over .. like a parrot on a broken Record .. will not change this fact .. nor is it a solution to the problem .. under discussion ..
     
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    Because, any discussion of EVs has to include hybrids. THEY ARE BOTH ELECTRIC AND FOSSIL FUEL CARS . It’s you who have the problem, not me. You seem to have no conception of the pros and cons of EVs vs Fossil fuel cars.
    All you see is EVs. EVs will develop slowly for most people through the hybrid. That you don’t get it is your loss.
    You seem to be in denial of what is happening in the automotive industry....NOW.
     
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    Do you know how a subway car is powered ?
     
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    I challenge you to look up the definition of an “electric car....”

    now, don’t make up anything, look it up with a reference from a ligit dictionary.
     
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    Hopelessly lost - and you have no idea what the conversation is about - I have already granted all of your points you bring up about hybrids - electric cars - and subway trains two or three times now.

    You are having some make believe debate - with a bunch of Strawmen that you have built - Carry on :)
     
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    Thank you for ADMITTING to TROLLING!

    :roflol:
     
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    The only straw man is the right who pretends that only EVs and fossil fuels cars roam the planet. Every car maker in the United States makes fossil fuel and hybrids. NOT EVs. Since the inception of the the Hybrid more then a decade ago, their sales has increased by one million per year and with each new generation, they have shifted more towards battery power. Even Trucks are becoming hybrids. If you can’t see how the ultimate shift to full EVs is occurring, it’s YOU who are delusional and it’s science deniers who are devoid of information.

    Any discussion of EVs without the inclusion of hybrids is rediculous. Hybrids ARE EVs nearly 24% of the time they operate and some are 100% and slowly becoming full EVs. You’re being electrified and don’t even know it. The biggest reason is, the 110 outlet is the easiest and safest to use. And that’s all hybrids need to behave like EVs. When power density of the battery is equal to a tank of fossil fuels and can be recharged with a 110 outlet which is the safest and most prevalent, EVERYONE will have that option and the smart ones will choose it.
     
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    Correct - as I have never claimed that Hybrids do not exist - which is why you pretending otherwise - is a Strawman. Not sure who you are debating .. but it is certainly not me :)


    The fact of the matter is that neither hybrids or EV's are going to get us where we need to go - as representing only a small fraction of the problem - and even in this small fraction will take a long long time to get to Carbon Free Transportation - time we do not have.

    In the meantime - Carbon and Ocean Pollution are increasing .. and you are out of coherent ideas ..as is Blue - driven by political agenda and fairy tails -rather than science.
     
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    You don’t consider “passenger miles”. Passenger miles driven by electric cars is happening throughout the world ALREADY. The solution is AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE NOW. Its using public transportation that’s electrified and convenient, and EVs when not. A hybrid IS A FULL SCALE EV WHEN USED WITHIN ITS COMMUTING RANGE WITH OUT THE INCONVENIENCE OF CHARGING STATIONS. THEY USE 110 outlets.
     
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    Who said I did not consider passenger miles ? You keep making stuff up and attributing it to me .... rather than addressing what was said.

    This is some 4 posts in a row that you have falsely misrepresented my position .. Please --- no more .. this is mindless nonsense.
     
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    You confuse criticism with trolling. Trolling, at least by my difinition is posting something ridiculous in search of a response. You do it all the time. Criticism is pointing out the lack of truth or value of a post. Something I do regularly.
     
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    If you don’t once mentioned anything, or anything related to it, you’re not considering passenger miles. I can’t even get the right on this board to look up the definition of what an electric car is.
    The right posters here use their own dictionary. Throw away hybrids and other electric vareints, you’re not considering passenger miles, and especially, those transported using electric MOTORS.
     
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    You don’t seem to understand that plug in hybrids are ELECTRIC cars. It’s the driver that determines that. So you’re comments about hybrids being more efficient is lacking. They are more efficient because like electric cars, they have batteries and E drive motors. When applicable. THEY ARE ELECTRIC CARS. NEVER HEARD YOU ONCE Indicate you get it. You also don’t seem to get that the entire auto industry is rapidly delivering that option to buyers.
     
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    I have a solution. Stop reading it.
     
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    EVs won’t for a while. Hybrids do now for more then half the drivers. You make these all inclusive statements like everyone has the same driving requirements that you do.

    -commute up to 80 miles per day on electric power only
    -go 0-60 in 5 seconds.
    - recharge fully in 5 hours with a simple 110 outlet.
    -towing capability
    - when needed, a 600 mile range and refillable at any gas station.
     
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    Using their own definition of anything is ridiculous. We all had a chance to read, write and speak English. They have dictionaries. It’s pretty ridiculous making up ones own language to communicate.
     
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    4 posts to blubber the same rant - claiming that I have some disagreement with the fact that hybrids are part electric - and other related things about hybrids .. that I don't know trains are electric - and other false accusations and stawman.

    Despite having all these things - CO2 and Ocean Pollution are still increasing - and you have not addressed the central issues related to this increase.
     
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    That’s deceptive. All cars are part electric. What you fail to realize is, Hybrids are “ELECTRIC CARS”
    The plugs ins have a switch; hybrid, charge or electric mode.
    The are electric cars.
    How hard is it to open a dictionary, and look up the definition of an electric car ? Hybrids conform to it.
     
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