Everyone driving electric cars----------what a joke.

What about hybrids have I not said - 10 times already ? and what do you mean by "Everything about Hybrids" . .. what generalized nonsense language is that.

The one of your claims about hybrids which is completely false - is that hybrids will solve the worlds energy problems.at the moment -

Proof of Claim - we have hybrids - have had them for a long time - yet fossil fuel use and ocean pollution continues to increase.

Regardless - vehicles in total are only 10% of the equation .. reducing this in half 20 years from now - assuming the number of vehicles doesn't go up ... and assuming industrialization is not still increasing to the equation greater than we take out - .. this would be far too slow - but ... at least it would be movement.

The reality .. is that the above assumption - is completely false .. as industrialization is going gangbusters -

The Reality is that industrialized nations are already fairly efficient .. meaning incremental change is getting more difficult. The places that can have solar and wind .. many have already.

The problem .. is that what ever we do - if other nations are "going gangbusters" the overall equation is still negative .. - and remember we have timeline here .. we don't have 100 years to do this..

Ocean Pollution in particular - we are hitting tipping points - and getting measurable ripples in other areas that are not yet tipping points but would well be soon.. not good.. But this doesn't factor at all into your equation .. and this is in error.

but - the reality is - that not only are the non industrialized nations increasing .. industrialized overall are increasing .. albeit very slightly some less some more some decreasing .. but basically level .. and the problem is .. we don't have a path to get down any time soon...

You are looking at one minor piece of the equation - one that already exists - and is not solving the problem - even of this one little part.
While the overall pie - continues to grow ..

 

Troll post Strike Three!

Thank you for DISQUALIFYING yourself on yet another topic as far as I am concerned.

Have a nice day!

 

Atta boy. Good job.

 

Opinion shared by a more then a few others around here.

 

Very badly. I read they test the mileage distance of electric vehicles on a flat level road with a 180 lb. driver and all accessories off. All they would have to do is include a compact 1 or 2 cylinder gas fired generator on board in case you're stuck in the tulies with no power. You may have to wait a bit, but you'll soon be back up and running.

 

I guess that settles it. My opinion is better than your opinion because some people agree with me. Makes sense.

 

“ better”...that’s your opinion. Your opinions are lacking in accuracy, by a lot.

 

Newer EVs are heated by a heat pump which is good to 30 degrees. They idea that you’ll see many EVs in the form of anything but a plug in Hybrid very far north, is delusional. The plug in hybrid IS an EV, anytime you choose. The rest of time it gets 40 mpg, throws off all the heat you need, goes through blizzards and goes 0-60 in 5 seconds when the weather is fine. So no, modern car makers have every thing covered. Your comments are all based on a guess that everyone in the cold drives a straight EV. Nope. . Mine are what is happening now.

 

In the next couple of decades, I think it would be great if we could achieve 30% EV's, 45% hybrid-electrics, and the balance fossil fuel...

 

I think it will depend upon the area of the country. Hybrids sold in the north have nickel metal hydride batteries , which are better in cold, and the south has more lithium. A plug in hybrid is an electric car at the turn of a switch.
Hybrids will dominate till the battery energy density matches a fossil gas tank and they can be charge in ten minutes from a 110 outlet. We are just a couple years away from that.
Imo, in ten years, the only straight fossil fuel vehicles will be long haul and diesel construction machinery. EVs are the best for one place now, city transportation. They can be charged anywhere and they get the best “mileage” in this situation.

 

In my fossil fuel category, I have construction equipment, military equipment, farming equipment, power generating equipment, most things aviation, trains, long-haul vehicles, along with the millions of people who won't give up their fossil fuels even when it's $10/gallon and higher. Interesting to me is how much will oil/gas demand decline, how will the decline effect consumer prices and availability, and how will this effect the viability of oil business? Depending how it unfolds, this can accelerate the move to electrics, or, slow it down...

 

Fossil fuels will always be a primary source as long as energy density is necessary.

 

IMO
As the energy density in the storage of electricity increases, the less need for fossil fuels. Where electricity can be produced not using fossil fuels in close proximity to an electric motor, the need is eliminated. Case in point, nuclear powered submarines and surface craft. Nuclear power has its own problems of waste disposal, but the point is made. Like wise, subways and trains with proximity power lines, all eliminate the need for fossil fuels.

Toyota “ says “ they will come out with a solid state battery soon that’s more then twice as viable as today’s batteries. That still does nothing for eliminating fossil fuels for long haul and flying. But it does make hybrids and locally used EVs closer to the holy grail.....which you have mentioned.

 

Oh, they will give it up, incrementally. They won’t buy an EV, but when the only choice is a 3/4 ton pick up with a a little 4 cylinder and three 150 hp electric motors, they’ll love it.

 

Like power generation, regarding EV's, etc., we will need to utilize all the options in parallel. Over long periods of time, with technology advancements and market conditions, etc. the ratios of EV/hydrogen versus fossil fuel will slowly change. This will be a multi-decade endeavor...

 

It requires a paradigm shift...which is achievable but a long-term process...

 

Phillips 66 saying they will have to charge a much higher price for electricity in an electric charging station than you would pay to recharge at your own home. They have been very reluctant to install in their stations so far.

 

Well I guess gas stations have limited forecourt space. If that makes them uncompetitive I'm sure the market will provide alternatives. There are plenty of stores, restaurants, public buildings etc with large car parks who will be happy to take customers' money off them at a more reasonable rate. Once Phillips 66 start to notice the drop off in sales of snacks, drinks and all the other items they make big mark ups on I'm sure they'll have the sense to reconsider.

 

The process is happening now......discoveries are made decades before they become economically viable for public use.
we have the technology and batteries now just like we had break through transistors years before the computer was a household item.

 

It depends on where you want to be. Technology is continuous just like energy sources were from one source to another.

Some people just want a car that gets 40 mpg and runs on gasoline. Some want an electric car that runs on electric motors. Really, does anyone think personal transportation suddenly stops there and that’s the end game ? The market is different dependent on where you live, just like diesel was big in Europe but not here.

 

Btw. It’s all available now. But it’s not cheap.

 

WHY should it get a tax incentive AT ALL, ie why should some other people be forced to help pay for another persons car. If you want to drive one then YOU pay for. If you want to ride around rejoicing how you are not harming the planet then YOU pay for it and then while you're at it think about where the electricity you are using to run it came from. How the materials for the battery were obtained and how it will be disposed of once it is no longer any good.

 

Rather than incentivising doing less damage to the environment how about penalising pollution?
Would that be more acceptable to you or do you just not care?

 

Electricity is fungible. What oil companies are afraid of, is a battery that can be charge in a short time at a 110 outlet. Really, then every telephone pole is a refueling station and kids will be selling charging on the side of the road like lemonade stands.


Every it it requires a 220 but charges in 5-10 minutes, it’s something every private individual can easily invest in. Imagine you live by a stream and have unlimited hydro power. You could never work a day in your life by watching cars hook up to your supply and pay you on line. EVs are the potentially ultimate free enterprise system. That scares oil companies sht less

Well guess what....the quick change high capacity battery is here now.