"Everything Palestinian in Jerusalem is targeted by Israeli occupation"

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    "Everything Palestinian in Jerusalem is targeted by Israeli occupation"

    I expect you thought this was just the usual whining of Muslim Palestinians as they watch Jerusalem being taken over by the zionist occupiers. But there is a catch, this was from the
    Archbishop of Jerusalem's Greek Orthodox Church

    "Everything Palestinian in Jerusalem is targeted by Israeli occupation," said Palestinian Archbishop of Jerusalem's Greek Orthodox Church, Atallah Hanna on January 29 during a meeting with a delegation from the medical aid organisation Doctors without Borders.

    "The Islamic and Christian holy sites and endowments are targeted in order to change our city, hide its identity and marginalise our Arabic and Palestinian existence," the archbishop added.


    It as always amazed me how some Christians especially the Evangelical in America have abandoned their fellow Christians as the Judafication of Palestine continues at a pace. Zionist policy originally was to live with the Palestinians but since 1948 they have attempted to change history and pretend that there was no palestinian people with a distinct culture.

    Israel's disregard for the historical rights of Palestinians is deeply rooted in Zionist ideology. Indeed, from the very start, Zionist ideologues promoted the idea that Palestine was a place bereft of culture or heritage - an arid desert, waiting for Zionist pioneers to make it "bloom".

    For those claims to acquire a degree of plausibility and for the myth of Palestine as "a land without a people for a people without a land" to be solidified, the Zionist movement needed to erase the very existence of the Palestinian people.

    On July 19, 2018, the Israeli Knesset passed the "nation-state bill", practically making apartheid official by defining Israel as the national homeland of the Jewish people and marginalising Palestinians, their history and language. However, that bill was the mere culmination of decades-long efforts.

    Very few people realise there is no such thing as a Israeli Nationality, everything is done to discriminate between Jews and the other 300+ ethnicities that Israel uses.

    But what they have not counted on is the remarkable ability of the Palestinians to endue.

    Israel refuses to accept the fact that the Palestinians' relationship with their land cannot be dictated or terminated by violence, Knesset bills or army decrees. To the contrary, the more aggression is unleashed onto the Palestinians, the stronger the Palestinian sense of nationhood grows.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/israel-judaisation-palestine-failing-190212113024316.html
     
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    In the early years .. back in 1920 ..the Palestinian Jews and Arab Christians were alarmed by the flood of European Zionists and organized to try and stop them long before the Muslims caught on.
     
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    A massive number of Jews were killed by Zionists in the creation of Israel.
     
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    True.. as well as over 500 British peacekeepers. Palestine is as tragic and unnecessary a miscarriage of justice that ever was.
     
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    And the British tried to be even handed, maintaining the place names as the flood of immigrants arrived in Palestine. Indeed the zionists flooding into Palestine could be compared with the flood of Muslims into Europe and it amazes me how zionists hate that!

    During the British mandate, the colonial authorities, for example, were using predominantly Arabic names of localities, towns and villages; there were some about 3,700 of them. By contrast, there were just 200 Hebrew toponyms, most of them being names of Jewish settlements, including new ones that were being built under the patronage of the Zionist movement. This was quite indicative of the demographic distribution and land ownership in Palestine at the time (at the beginning of the British mandate in the 1920s, the Jews, including newly arrived settlers, were just 11 percent of the total population).
     
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    Ahem

    cont'd https://www.jonathan-cook.net/2019-02-13/rabbis-fuel-holy-war-israel/

    I would say he wasn't completely right there. The American Christian Right share similar values.
     
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    Let us not forget the terrorist assassination of the UN peace envoy, zionists like to deny their terrorist roots.

    After the war, Bernadotte was unanimously chosen to be the United Nations Security Council mediator in the Arab–Israeli conflict of 1947–1948. He was assassinated in Jerusalem in 1948 by the paramilitary Zionist group Lehi while pursuing his official duties.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folke_Bernadotte
     
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    The murder of Bernadotte is disgusting.. He saved over 30,000 Jews from the Holocaust and they shot him down in the street like a dog.
     
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    Indeed. In State of terror having investigated old left to rot sources he provides information on how non Zionist Jews who did not want an ethnic nationalist state and had nothing against the Christians and Muslims were subject to as much or even more than others Zionist terrorism.

    http://www.state-of-terror.net/
     
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    Yep, has been for some time now.
     
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    How many times have Zionists argued that they did not steal the land, and yet here is the great Golda Mier virtually admitting to it!

    After the establishment of the Israeli state, its leaders never made it a secret that this is indeed their intention. "It is not as though there was a Palestinian people in Palestine considering itself as Palestinian people and we came and threw them out and took their country away from them. They did not exist," Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir (1969-74) said in an interview with the Sunday Times in June 1969.
     
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    The European Zionists thought Arab Christians, Muslims and Jews were inferior... and its important to realize they doubled the population of Palestine in 15 years.

    That would be like 100 million refugees coming to the US.
     
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    Yes, but it was not just Arab Jews they had a problem with. One item that comes to mind is a terrorist act against some European Jews for publishing a paper in German.
     
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    I don't know about that.
     
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    They also had the disgusting nickname for Holocaust survivors. "soap"
     
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    OMG. I think I can remember hearing about that in one of Tom Segev's lectures. Yep how they saw Holocaust Survivors as losers until the 60's when they began to understand that the holocaust could be a good propaganda tool. Of course not only were they seen as losers but as people who did not choose to come to Israel. Even in the displaced person's camps the Zionists had to work hard getting survivors to believe they could go nowhere else, because Zionists were stopping it and were traitors if they did not go to Israel. Even with all this I think they only managed to get about half or possibly even less to go to Israel. Many of them having survived the holocaust ended up dying in the Zionist war of Colonialism.
     
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    The real Holocaust fraud is how Israel manipulated the Holocaust to elicit sympathy around the world whilst treating the survivors deplorably.

    The Fight to Get Israel's Holocaust Survivors Their Benefits
    'We are always encountering survivors who aren't getting even half of what they’re entitled to,' says head of aid organization; meanwhile a third of Israel's 200,000 survivors live in poverty and 1,000 die each month
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...-holocaust-survivors-their-benefits-1.5453110
     
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    Yes, he talks about that in State of Terror. They wanted to create a particular type of Israeli. I think possibly at that time it was those with a liking of Italian fascism who were in charge. They also apparently got rid of or did not allow in Jews who were not of the Zionist bent or who were not fit and I think Lenni Brenner in the Iron Wall also speaks about that. Of course some stayed and survived who had even a desire for one state identified with the ME not Europe but as the British Archives state they were called - can't remember the word but similar meaning to traitor.
     
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    Amazing the dignity that they kept after their treatment.

    At 85, Leitner is in high demand as one of a dwindling group of Israeli survivors still capable of regularly making the trip. He reflects ruefully how the attitude has changed in Israel since he first arrived in 1949.

    "They mocked survivors then. When I told some of my new friends in the army that a Gypsy boy had tried to steal my shoes in Auschwitz, they said 'why did you let him? You soap (a derisory nickname in use at the time for Holocaust survivors).' I don't want to blame people from back then, people just couldn't believe this had happened, even we who had been there had trouble believing it happened."
    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-israeli-holocaust-survivors-remember-1.5365754
     
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    Oh yes.. Most of the early immigrants to Palestine were Bolsheviks.

    It talks about that in Zionist Aspirations in Palestine that I linked earlier. In the 1920 different socialist groups battled each other in the streets. The Palestinians were dumbfounded .. They had never heard of Lenin and Marx.
     
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    Just read that in full, it is a fascinating viewpoint of the time and almost prophetic in its suggestions.
     
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    Did you notice that it was written by the governor?
     
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    Interesting, gives me something to think about. Churchill right from the beginning wanted a 'Jewish' State as he hoped that would stop communism. I get that they had socialist type Kibbutz, even stayed on one myself but from everything I have read right from the beginning they wanted Ethnic Nationalism. Kibbutz like everywhere else they settled were just for Jews so I am a bit doubting that most were Bolsheviks at the beginning though certainly some may have been. It was not though just communism/ethnic Capitalism that was their divide. They wanted to build an ethnic nationalist state and included in that was creating a shared past. Other Jews for instance Uri Avnery who were not like that were subject to attack and I also was not talking about fights between Ethnic Nationalists and Bolsheviks but genuine terrorist attacks against non ethnic nationalist Jews. While these were often Palestinian Jews working as the police and what not, it was also European Jews who wanted to bring their European identity with them. Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro in 'Has Zionism hijacked Judaism' suggests that Zionism was not about the desire to escape from antisemitism. It was about the desire to escape from Judaism and become ruthless like the antisemites,. I think that is very plausible and of course it came to be due to those who assumed power..
     
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