Evidence for the Holocaust?

Not even Leuchter's biggest fans in 1988 raise his name much any more as relevant to anything with regard to Holocaust history. If you see something like that, you're either dealing with a relative newbie to the standard denier canon nowadays, or you're dealing with someone who can't read English.

 

What they seem to have found is a garbage pit.

 

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Based on what?

 

Based on the fact that they found a pit with no forensic evidence of human remains.

 

At the BBC site, in an article written by Caroline Sturdy Colls herself, she says,

It's been 2 years since that article and others like it were written. Why hasn't Krege stepped forward with his 'report'?

 

I would prefer something a little more concrete than just your word for it

 

So they found some pits and you're going to assume they contain millions of bodies until someone actually checks them? Isn't that a little upside down?

 

Why do you keep posting this childish garbage? If anything you are guilty of the first one, the second two I never did and the last is just name calling.

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Yet you are equally willing to assume they are garbage pits.........without any solid evidence?

 

Yes normally we assume people are innocent until we have evidence they are guilty.

BTW I am assuming nothing either way.

 

post 727 would suggest otherwise

 

Well garbage pits seems a more plausible assumption than millions of bodies. Obviously without investigation we do not know.

 

Not 'millions'. Somewhat less than a million-- roughly 4/5ths. Do try to keep up.

A rather a lot of thorough investigation has already been done, so we can be fairly certain.

There is testimony from the scandalously few surviving inmates. If they're all liars, that's for you to prove (and their being Jews in no way disqualifies their statements by itself.)

There exists testimony from surviving perpetrators. If they were tortured or otherwise coerced into providing incriminating testimony, that's for you to prove (which might be rather difficult since none of them made any allegations of mistreatment, nor did any recant their testimony once their sentences had been served).

There are extensive German rail transport records indicating that something in the order of 800,000 human beings were delivered there who were never seen or heard from again. If they weren't murdered at Treblinka II you should have no diffculty accounting for their whereabouts.

And now, as a result of an academic team doing a scientific physical analysis of the place, human bone particles are found.

The convergence of evidence is quite compelling. You have your work cut out for you, but simply waving the evidence away isn't going to cut it.

 

That's your idea of a forensic analysis?

 

Nowhere did I claim that was all of it. I've not seen the published paper.

Though there's sufficient evidence to convict without it, what would you offer as a possible origin for bone fragments found at a site where a massive murder, burial, exhumation and low-tech incineration is alleged to have taken place?

 

And your knowledge of ground penetrating radar is what exactly that leads you to this assumption?

 

I know enough to know it can't detect bones. They only detected a pit boundary based on soil density. But bring up the study data and prove me wrong if you can.

 

Okay so now you have argued yourself in a circle. We agree the technique she used does not normally detect human remains. She didn't detect human remains and in an earlier post you argued that was evidence the pits where probably refuse pits and nothing else. So you can not have both solutions

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=317262&page=74&p=1063661666#post1063661666

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KFC remnants?

 

I notice that you have yet to proffer ANY evidence to support the your denialism.

I notice you ignore indisputable evidence when presented to you.

I notice you attempt to reject science and the results of professional investigation with ridiculous unsubstantiated "explanations" like mass ash pits were garbage pits. OTOH, in a macabre fashion I suppose as a metaphor you are correct, since the nazi executioners thought they were merely disposing of "jew garbage".

As to the last being name calling.

Do you consider yourself part of the mainstream denialist community?
Does anyone around here that isn't one of those described actually believe what you are so poorly attempting to sell?
The denialist postion can certainly be proven to consist of internal inconsistencies, completely unresearched distortions and outright lies. This is a statement of fact.

As to never presenting evidence, it would appear that in the heat of your response you have totally forgotten the evidence you ignored in the first place.

As to never complaining about the language, FYI you just did by submitting a bogus report about my post that does not actually call you any names.

If you have ANY evidence of substance why haven't you provided it to us? Oh yes the Fog Sauce, silly me.

And people think the earth is round. Ha!

 

This is false and I have presented evidence and arguments that detainees were deported further East. Frankly all of the evidence on both sides is rather vague so it's easy for you to launch this hypocritical and slanderous attack.

You accused me of complaining about name calling *instead* of addressing points. You make no points, just hypocritical personal accusations.

 

Obviously no such thing took place, and the vile Allied powers needed a science fiction story to sell to the world to justify putting most of the planets population under Bolshevik slavery, the organized Soviet rape of up to 2,000,000 German women, the terror bombings of German children.

Not to mention making a psychotic bunch of mass murdering Bolsheviks the masters of the Earth.

 

I haven't seen any evidence from you. I've seen "arguments" and the usual unsubstantiated denialist myths, but nothing to prove any of those arguments or myths because there isn't any evidence in existence to support such spurious claims.

The evidence is not vague at all. I am far from being a hypocrite in this regard.
Slander requires a) a direct personal accusation and b) the statement(s) made being untrue.

But I am not surprised that you would take this route as it is also right out of the playbook.

I know you are but what am I?

As for hypocritical, I provide you with evidence and you ignore it or dismiss it out of hand ("garbage pits").
You are the one making claims that you do not and cannot back up with anything even remotely resembling evidence.

have you addressed any of the actual SCIENTIFIC findings with ANY similar rebuttal evidence? No.

did you address the direct, substantiated accusations and justified ridicule of Leuchter? No.

the best you could come up with is "garbage pits".
Which ironically describes the position of denying the holocaust precisely.

 

My father and 3 uncles were military in WWII. 2 were in the Normandy invasion, 1 in Bastogne, (The Battle of the Bulge) and 2 were involved in freeing concentration camp detainees. 1 was at Bergen Belsen in Northern Germany and 1 was at the liberation of Dachau. Both took pictures and the horrors of the camps and the holocaust were quite clear. It is my opinion that only the white supremacy crowd and Islamists deny the murder of millions of Jews and other people by the NAZIs