Evidence severely lacking for claim that most of Flight 93 had buried

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  1. RtWngaFraud

    RtWngaFraud Banned

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    Update! Still no contact with those Shanksville folks per Hannibal's direction.

    Nothing.
     
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    I have no doubt that you haven't contacted them. Only someone seeking the truth would do that.
     
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    Where's those KSM pics you said were published by the red cross?

    Care to explain the false confessions to the nonexistent terrorist plots that KSM made?

    sorry candy, you lose.
     
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    He confessed.
    He hasn't recanted for the 20th time.

    Care to explain why you side with a confessed mass murderer? Asked you first.

    As for the pictures, they are widely published on the web; check out the WIKI of your hero to find the links.
     
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    I wouldn't recant either. Probably get tortured again if I did.
     
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    YOU HAVE NO PROOF he hasn't recanted..

    It's just your say so that he hasn't.. Again you have NO EVIDENCE.. No forensic evidence against him, a "confession" they tortured out of him, with NO explanation for the FALSE confessions that he gave about plots that DID NOT EXIST.

    I'm not just going to take your word for it.. This is debate.. Come up with something and bring it to the table or **** with your tail between your legs like you usually do.

    I'm not "siding" with anyone I'm demanding you provide proof for your claims simple as that. I'm not going to be like you and go believe a story is true just because some sleep deprived prisoner told me so. Or the CIA sez so... I'm not going to base belief in stories with NO outside evidence that also shows that story true as well.. Especiallly when that type of story would NECESARRILY have outside evidence, e.g. a paper trail etc. Like things they have no trouble finding for the named hijackers. Prove to me he's behind that mass murder and I will issue due condemnation for it.. If you thought he was behind this crime why do you not care to prosecute and have proper justice served?

    You are clearly lying.. If such a picture existed, you could easily show me one and even stick it in your post... Like for example, I'll show you KSM, when he was captured in 2003:

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    This is the latest picture I've ever seen, from 2003.. Now, show me the new 2009 photo you claim was published by the red cross.
     
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    That is so great.. Now if candy only had evidence that KSM was behind that crime then we would be all set.
     
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    Al-Jazeera offers accounts of 9/11 planning

    Pre-Capture.
     
  10. candycorn

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    Gee you're hilarious.

    By the way, KSM confessed to the attacks and hasn't recanted. As was the case when we started this conversation about 80 years ago.

    He's proud of the fact that he killed 3,000 Americans. I don't know why you're defending him. Thats between you and whatever judgment eventually comes your way. You'll have a lot of explaining to do. I hope the judge is not benevolent in any way to those who wish to commit treason.
     
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    He was tortured. He'd confess to anything. He'd never recant. He'd be tortured again.
     
  13. happy fun dude

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    That's not what I was asking for.. I CLEARLY said I'm looking for EVIDENCE that KSM is behind the crime of 9/11... i.e. real world, verifiable, forensic evidence.

    The "confessions" aren't even admissable in court.. Because anyone who knows anything knows why such confessions, especially coerced confessions, aren't evidence on thier own.

    IF THE STORY TOLD BY KSM WERE TRUE, there would be REAL WORLD forensic evidence to verify the story true, NECESSARILY. The fact there is NONE almost PROVES it's not true.

    This is the elephant in the room you people keep ignoring.

    Nevertheless, I've already been over the trouble with this piece of "evidence" with you. You didn't stand behind it or challenge the criticizm against it then, you only just repeat it now, leaving me to repeat myself.

    It's journalistic fraud.. This was NOT a media interview with KSM as you and AJ try to suggest.. Rather it is ONE journalist Fouda and his heresay, that he claimed a fantastic story about a dramatic blindfolded excursion into the terror den without a SHRED of documentation.. No transcript. No video. NOTHING... Just his say so KSM said that.

    To put quote marks around those words is journalistic fraud, as KSM didn't say them, they are the "recounting" of Fouda..HIS words. In fact his recollection AFTER the fact, especially after such a tramatic type of meeting, is easy to be different/wrong.

    And yet, KSM DISPUTES what was claimed he said at the meeting.. They actually USED this undocumented heresay as evidence against him as his tribunal (yeah they do have to grasp at straws in the complete absence of forensic evidence just like you and candy) and he DENIED he said that at the meeting.

    So either KSM's words count as truth or as evidence or they don't. If they do, then how can he dispute he said those words? Your source is a liar then! Bad source!

    Focusing on the confession alone is useless.. It's just your lot's red herrings because you HAVE NO actual, forensic evidence.. It's ALL you have.

    Question.. In your critical thinking mind as I'm sure you think you have, would you assume, beyond ANY doubt, that somebody is guilty of one of the most heinous crimes, based ONLY on a confession some journalist claimed they made with NO record, no tape, and no transcript or proof such statement was EVER made?

    What if some journalist claimed your mother was guilty of murder, with no transcript, no recording and your mother denying it... Would you make a citizen's arrest on your mother based on that alone? Or would you want more convincing than that first?

    Funny how such critical minds work.. Claiming somebody made a statement at an interview without a transcript, tape or ANY proof other than ONE MAN's fanstastical story.

    Where's your proof he made the statement anyway?
     
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    LMAO treason.. Get a dictionary and stop making foolish buzzwords.

    You have ZERO forensic evidence.. The confession can be explained in other ways, including torture, which is why he gave FALSE confessions.

    I'm not disputing the in custody confession, rather I'm disputing your idiotic idea that you think tortured confessions prove anything.

    Now quit cowering out and debate... EXPLAIN THE FALSE CONFESSIONS.

    I've got you STUMPED, and you're too cowardly to rebut.. Pathetic.. Just repeat your shot down crap again.
     
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    KSM Confessed.
    KSM hasn't recanted.
    KSM killed 3,000 Americans.
    You're defending KSM.
    One has to wonder why you like mass murderers.
    You won't have to answer to me; you'll have to answer some day though.
     
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    KSM only confessed after he was tortured.
    KSM admitted to being behind plots PROVEN to have not existed.. He issued FALSE admissions, for example a plot to bomb Canary Wharf in London.. You are INCAPABLE of explaining how he can make false confessions to something and other confessions MUST be true. You have danced and dived around this obvious trump card that stumps your whole argument. Kind of like you whine about others doing regarding lite poles (hypocritical)
    You have NO PROOF KSM hasn't recanted.. Just your silly baseless speculation.
    You have NO PROOF KSM killed 3000 Americans.
    You're condemning someone to a heinous crime with NO PROOF.
    One has to wonder why you like to make such grandeose accusations with NOTHING to back them up.
    You damm right I won't have to answer to you.. Not today and not ever.. In fact, I have NO ONE to answer to, EVER, about this.
     
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    80 hours after and we still have the following:

    KSM Confessed.
    KSM hasn't recanted.
    KSM killed 3,000 Americans.
    You're defending KSM.
    One has to wonder why you like mass murderers.
    You won't have to answer to me; you'll have to answer some day though

    And oh yeah, shoot down of Flight 93 has been ruled out.
     
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    80 hours later and we still have the following:

    KSM only confessed after he was tortured.
    KSM admitted to being behind plots PROVEN to have not existed.. He issued FALSE admissions, for example a plot to bomb Canary Wharf in London.. You are INCAPABLE of explaining how he can make false confessions to something and other confessions MUST be true. You have danced and dived around this obvious trump card that stumps your whole argument. Kind of like you whine about others doing regarding lite poles (hypocritical)
    You have NO PROOF KSM hasn't recanted.. Just your silly baseless speculation.
    You have NO PROOF KSM killed 3000 Americans.
    You're condemning someone to a heinous crime with NO PROOF.
    One has to wonder why you like to make such grandeose accusations with NOTHING to back them up.
    You damm right I won't have to answer to you.. Not today and not ever.. In fact, I have NO ONE to answer to, EVER, about this.
     
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    KSM confessed.
    KSM hasn't recanted.

    Film at 11
     
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    No film.. Just proof he hasn't recanted, and also explain away those proven false confessions for other plots..

    GO on dance!
     
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    Hey this is great...6 more posts and the Mod will lock this thread too. Kill two birds with one stone....he he he.

    So how's the weather?
     
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    Did she run away?
     
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    LMAO!!!

    the heat's too much for candy, he can't explain how a false confession could happen as it would blast his argument for a confession equalling proof out the window, so he buys time until the thread gets closed and he can cop out!

    How CHICKEN (*)(*)(*)(*) coward can one possibly get!

    LMAO.

    Just troll/repeat yourself over and over until you get the thread to 500 failing to support your claims.. I think you've just invented a new debate fallacy! The appeal to stalling!
     
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    Quite tactical.

    I do not have to prove anything.

    It has been proven that KSM confessed.

    KSM hasn't recanted. Your request for me to prove a negative is almost as laughable as your movement.

    Why you are defending this blood thirsty mass murderer is something between you and your God. You will have to suffer the judgment. Good luck. I wouldn't expect mercy however.
     
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    lol at least you ADMIT you feel no need to prove your own claims.

    Now all the readers know how baseless they are.

    I don't dispute that KSM confessed.. The claim is whether or not KSM was BEHIND 9/11... Not whether or not they tortured a confession out of him.

    You used a negative premise for your argument. It's not assumed true JUST because it's a negative.

    Perhaps you should adopt a more verifiable premise to prop up your arguments on.

    Choosing an unprovable premise makes your whole resultant argument unprovable i.e. fall flat on its face.

    Pick a premise you CAN support.

    Why who is this god I need to be afraid of? Care to narrow it down? For all I know you're worshipping Satan.
     
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