Evidence that the Holocaust DIDN'T happen?

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    I think you are wrong. During WW2, the Allies made a clear distinction between Nazis and normal Germans. Why should they have changed that after the war?

    Possibly that false impression developed later because the Germans showed little resistance against the Hitler regime. But to speak of an intentional big lie here, is certainly not correct.

    Rense and Codoh are right-wing extremist sources. For example, links to such websites confirm my opinion. Owners of both sites are professional liars.

    There are two types of neo-Nazi activists. The clever ones who deliberately lie to the people and the stupid ones who believe these lies. The latter would risk their lives for their false belief, like Sylvia, Horst Mahler, Ursula Haverbeck and a few more. They behave like members of a sect.
     
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    The subject of this thread is somewhat strange. Proving that "something didn't happen or don't exist" is very, very difficult. It's only possible via a contradiction.

    Holocaust deniers have been trying to construct such a contradiction for over 60 years. Will they ever make it? They don't seem to get tired. :)

    Let's make a little quiz:
    Btw, I asked this few months before: who was the first "Holocaust revisionist"?
    Tip: It wasn't Faurisson, Zundel, or Christophersen. It was someone much earlier.
    Who knows the correct answer?
     
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    The correct answer may not be the one that you expect.

    I was reading an article about those who were really the first holocaust revisionists. I can't find that article but it stated that the first holocaust revisionists were those like Elie Wiesel, Primo Levi and the thousands of other Auschwitz inmates who volunteered to go West with their more humane German captors rather than be raped, tortured and massacred by the approaching Soviet "liberators".

    Essentially, they spoke most honestly with their feet in saying that they had received far better treatment from the Germans than they expected from the infamous and barbaric Soviet hordes.

    Since no one would volunteer to remain among cruel sadists who had been beating, deliberately starving and gassing them, they proved with their feet that they were not being abused and murdered by the Germans.

    So, there you have your very first revisionists whose actions, then, spoke far more loudly than the immensely profitable lies they told later.
     
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    You're close, but it happened even earlier, at a time when the Nazis still had full control over what's going on. Should I solve, or do you want another try?
     
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    Please go ahead.
    But because you seem to confuse " holocaust deniers" with "holocaust revisionists", our opinions on who were the first revisionists are unlikely to be the same.
    However, I'm still interested in who you consider the first revisionists.

    Thanks,
     
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    I wager Hermann Goering!
     
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    A little bit closer than Mr. Grau's suggestion but unfortunately still wrong.

    Well, I don't want to leave you in the dark any longer.
    The ultimate father of Holocaust Revisionism is the SS gangster Paul Blobel.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Blobel

    Blobel was supposed to remove traces of the Holocaust, as the Nazis realized that allied troops soon will crush their bubble. Blobel did best as he could, but he couldn't finish his evil task.
    Very lucky for us, who we rely on these traces to reconstruct Holocaust history. :)
     
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    Indeed, here it is:

    http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/einsatz/blobeltest.html
    signed, sealed and 100% true.

    But what about this?

    https://ww2truth.com/2019/12/29/babi-yar-blame-shifting-atrocity-propaganda/comment-page-1/
     
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    Nonsense.

    You've only confirmed through this silly game that you have no idea what a Revisionist is in relation to the holocaust myth.

    Predictably enough, your primary source is the Zionist dominated Wikipedia(1), (2), (3) which simply parrots Holocaust Industry atrocity propaganda.

    No, the first true revisionists who disproved holocaustian myths and Allied atrocity propaganda were Elie Wiesel, Primo Levi and the thousands of people who volunteered to go with their German captors away from Auschwitz rather than be raped, tortured and / or massacred by their Soviet "liberators".

    Since no one would voluntarily remain with people who had allegedly been gassing, beating and torturing them so the actions of those who volunteered to join the retreating Germans spoke louder than the immensely profitable lies they would later fabricate for a gullible public.

    If the Germans were so "evil", why did all able bodied individuals volunteer to join them in their retreat to the West rather than enjoy the tender mercies of the approaching Soviet rapists & murderers?




    (1)"How Israel and its partisans work to censor the Internet"
    https://israelpalestinenews.org/israel-partisans-work-censor-internet/

    EXCERPT "Campaign to infiltrate Wikipedia

    CAMERA called for volunteers to secretly work on editing Wikipedia entries. It emphasized the importance of keeping the project secret. Volunteers were schooled in ways to elude detection. After they signed up as editors, they were to “avoid editing Israel-related articles for a short period of time.”CONTINUED


    (2) "Course: Zionist Editing on Wikipedia"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t52LB2fYhoY


    (3) "The right's latest weapon: 'Zionist editing' on Wikipedia" Haaretz"
    https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2010/08/the-rights-latest-weapon-zionist-editing-on-wikipedia-haaretz.html

    EXCERPT"Now the Yesha Council of settlements and another right-wing group, Israel Sheli, are embarking on a Wikipedia battle: Zionist editing on the Web-based encyclopedia.

    The course was designed to teach how to register for, contribute to and edit for Wikipedia."CONTINUED
     
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    The so called "Death Marches" were forced, according to Elie Wiesel and comrades...

    "Elie Wiesel, Holocaust survivor and winner of the 1986 Nobel Peace Prize, describes in his book Night (1960) how he and his father, Shlomo, were forced on a death march from Buna (Auschwitz III) to Gleiwitz."

    "The SS killed large numbers of prisoners by starvation before the marches, and shot many more dead both during and after for not being able to keep pace. Seven hundred prisoners were killed during one ten-day march of 7,000 Jews, including 6,000 women, who were being moved from camps in the Danzig region. Those still alive when the marchers reached the coast were forced into the Baltic Sea and shot." :machinegun: :roll:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_marches_(Holocaust)
     
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    Just as the Zionist dominated Wikipedia(1), (2), (3), (4) is one of the least credible sources for holocaust related information, Elie Wiesel tells so many outrageous lies and changes his story so frequently that nothing he says is credible either.

    I do believe that in at least one edition of his book "Night" he claims that he and his father had a choice(5) to either remain behind to be raped, deliberately starved and tortured by the advancing Soviet army.

    I think that it is generally agreed that about 6,000 people were left behind. On one hand, the Zionist dominated Wikipedia states that they were left behind because they were either sick or infirm but on the other hand, Wikipedia claims that those people who were sick, infirm and unable to work were immediately exterminated.

    If Auschwitz was truly a "Death camp", how could there be 6,000 sick or infirm people lounging in one of the more sophisticated medical hospitals in the world.

    Finally, anyone even slightly familiar with the alleged gassing - cremation process who has done hard manual labor will recognize Wiesel's claim that 10,000 people were executed per day is yet another physical impossibility in the tomes of holocaustian mythology.

    The truth is that about 3,000 children were born in Auschwitz without a single birth death.

    "Auschwitz maternity ward"
    EXCERPT "Over 3,000 live births were registered there, with not a single infant death while Auschwitz was in operation under German rule.
    * Auschwitz pregnancies took place because of the open nature of the facility."(6) CONTINUED

    If the Germans were running a "Death Camp", it was most certainly the most ineffective "Death camp" in history.

    Thanks,


    (1) "Zionist Control of WikiPedia"
    http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/at...ls-the-media/429-zionist-control-of-wikipedia

    EXCERPT “And as shown in our section on Google, this Internet search-engine is well in the hands of Zionist Jews and also cooperates openly with Zionist organizations such as ADL and the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) to control the searches and censoring information and certain sites.

    This means that apart from Wikipedia other sites may be censored when Googling any given subject.” CONTINUED


    (2) "Course: Zionist Editing on Wikipedia"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t52LB2fYhoY


    (3) "The right's latest weapon: 'Zionist editing' on Wikipedia" Haaretz"
    https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2010/08/the-rights-latest-weapon-zionist-editing-on-wikipedia-haaretz.html

    EXCERPT"Now the Yesha Council of settlements and another right-wing group, Israel Sheli, are embarking on a Wikipedia battle: Zionist editing on the Web-based encyclopedia.

    The course was designed to teach how to register for, contribute to and edit for Wikipedia."CONTINUED


    (4) "How Israel and its partisans work to censor the Internet"
    https://israelpalestinenews.org/israel-partisans-work-censor-internet/

    Campaign to infiltrate Wikipedia
    EXCERPT
    "CAMERA called for volunteers to secretly work on editing Wikipedia entries. It emphasized the importance of keeping the project secret. Volunteers were schooled in ways to elude detection. After they signed up as editors, they were to “avoid editing Israel-related articles for a short period of time.”CONTINUED


    (5) "A Prominent False Witness: Elie Wiesel"
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/wiesel.shtml
    EXCERPT
    "Summary

    "Elie Wiesel passes for one of the most celebrated eyewitnesses to the alleged Holocaust. Yet in his supposedly autobiographical book Night, he makes no mention of gas chambers. He claims instead to have witnessed Jews being burned alive, a story now dismissed by all historians. Wiesel gives credence to the most absurd stories of other "eyewitnesses." He spreads fantastic tales of 10,000 persons sent to their deaths each day in Buchenwald.

    When Elie Wiesel and his father, as Auschwitz prisoners, had the choice of either leaving with their retreating German "executioners," or remaining behind in the camp to await the Soviet "liberators," the two decided to leave with their German captors." CONTINUED


    (6) "HOLOCAUST DEPROGRAMMING COURSE"
    https://holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com/
     
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    "Revisionist" is their trivializing, self-chosen nickname. The whole world knows these crazy blokes as "Holocaust deniers". Their aim is to twist the history of Nazi Germany.

    Wikipedia is not so bad. It's not comprehensive but a good starting point for many topics. Most articles have lots of links and footnotes where one can get further information. However, Wikipedia is made for readers from our real world, but not for those living in the strange universe of Holocaust denial. :)

    Auschwitz was a large complex of many camps. The extermination camp was in Auschwitz-Birkenau. Arriving prisoners were selected there and those unable to work were immediately taken to the gas chambers.

    You've been on the topic long enough to know that!

    You are joking? They didn't have a choice where to go. The Nazis forced them to march west. Many died on this march.

    Btw, HC deniers usually reject the writings of Mr. Wiesel.
     
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    Re:
    I've repeatedly shown the ADL study(1) that shows only 1/3 of the world's population who know anything about the holocaust have been brainwashed into believing the impossible myths that comprise the standard holocaust narrative.

    What is really "crazy" is the holocaustian delusion that human bodies that are about 75% water burn without enormous amounts of fuel or that 3 people can fit into a space the size of 1 square foot(2).
    Please do the math yourself and explain how 3 people could fit into a space the size of 1 square foot.

    Re:
    You're right, Wikipedia is not so bad for information about hummingbirds and any topic not related to Israel - Palestine or the holocaust but because it is Zionist dominated by paid, trained & Israeli government scripted Hasbara trolls using the app. "Act IL", it is entirely unreliable for those topics.

    Re:
    Nonsense. Firstly, there were no homicidal gas, steam or electrocution chambers in any of the German run work / internment camps.
    Secondly, why were there sophisticated hospitals for thousands of inmates who were unable to work?

    Please note the following excerpt:

    "Many Jewish Inmates Unable to Work"
    Many thousands of secret German wartime documents dealing with Auschwitz were confiscated after the war by the Allies. But not a single one refers to a policy or program of extermination. In fact, the familiar Auschwitz extermination story cannot be reconciled with the documentary evidence.

    It is often claimed that all Jews at Auschwitz who were unable to work were immediately killed. Jews who were too old, young, sick, or weak were supposedly gassed on arrival, and only those who could be worked to death were temporarily kept alive.

    But the evidence shows otherwise. In fact, a very high percentage of the Jewish inmates were not able to work, and were nevertheless not killed. For example, an internal German telex message dated Sept. 4, 1943, from the chief of the Labor Allocation department of the SS Economic and Administrative Main Office (WVHA), reported that of 25,000 Jews held in Auschwitz, only 3,581 were able to work, and that all of the remaining Jewish inmates — some 21,500, or about 86 percent — were unable to work."CONTINUED (4)


    The only "gas chambers" were defumigation chambers like those used on Ellis Island for killing typhus bearing lice. The myths about homicidal gas chambers were simply part of Allied propaganda(5)

    Re:
    And professionally brainwashed holocaustians usually believe absolutely everything he said regardless of how impossible it may be. Wiesel is conspicuously mute about the homicidal gas chamber lie and claims that Jews were burned alive in spite of the fact that no known historian makes the same claim(6).

    Still, if their were truly a German genocidal agenda, why didn't the Germans simply execute the inmates left behind in the hospital during the evacuation of Auschwitz?

    Why have a hospital for treating inmates at all if the goal was to kill as many people as possible?



    (1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/


    EXCERPT “Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED


    (2) "Ruins of Bunker 2"
    https://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Birkenau/RuinsBunker2.html

    EXCERPTS "As the four photos above show, Bunker 2 was divided into four small rooms which had the capacity to kill 1,200 Jews at a time, according to Laurence Rees, the author of "Auschwitz, a New History."

    According to a book entitled "The Bombing of Auschwitz: Should the Allies Have Attempted It?" by Michael J. Neufeld and Michael Berenbaum, Bunker 2 was 56 feet long and 27 feet wide. Each of the four gas chamber rooms was 14 feet by 7"CONTINUED


    (3) “Here’s how to deal with extremist pro-Israeli trolls on social media”
    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2019/06/...extremist-pro-israeli-trolls-on-social-media/

    EXCERPT “We have known for a long time that the Israeli government funds intensive online attacks against people who criticise their policies or express support for the BDS movement (Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions) against Israel or actively support the Palestinian struggle for human rights.

    A person attacked in this way will find messages posted online calling them a “Nazi”, “anti-Semite”, “Jew-hater” etc and will typically feel shocked and overwhelmed.

    Now we know the details of how this works.

    In many cases these attacks will be from a single person using multiple on-line identities on behalf of an Israeli government funded group called ACT.IL."
    ONTINUED


    (4) "HOLOCAUST DEPROGRAMMING COURSE"
    https://holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com/


    (5) “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts”
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda

    The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED

    15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.


    "A Prominent False Witness: Elie Wiesel"
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/wiesel.shtml
    EXCERPT "Today there is no longer a single historian who believes that Jews were burned alive. The myths of the boiling water and of electrocution have also disappeared. Only the gas remains.

    The gassing lie was spread by the Americans. [3] The lie that Jews were killed by boiling water or steam (specifically at Treblinka) was spread by the Poles. [4] The electrocution lie was spread by the Soviets. [5]" CONTINUED
     
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    That's funny, because in my thread on the subject of Zionist aggression against Palestine, some Israel-fanboys (possibly Hasbara trolls), claim that anti-Zionists manipulate Wikipedia articles. :D

    Obviously, a lot of friends of the evil don't like Wikipedia.
     
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    The difference between claims made by "Israel-fanboys" and my assertion that Wikipedia is Zionist dominated is that I can support my assertion with credible, Jewish sources and show the specific tools used by paid, trained and scripted Zionist Wikipedia editors.

    One tool used by Zionist Wikipedia editors is an app. called "Act IL"
    Another tool used by Israel's army of Hasbara trolls who share your opinion on holocaust mythology is the oddly named "Global Language Dictionary".

    At any rate, because Wikipedia is Zionist dominated, it is primarily a mouthpiece for the Holocaust Industry.

    One of the many reasons that the standard holocaust narrative cannot be true is that it contains so many myths that are physically impossible as I showed earlier:

    "Ruins of Bunker 2"
    https://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Birkenau/RuinsBunker2.html

    EXCERPTS "As the four photos above show, Bunker 2 was divided into four small rooms which had the capacity to kill 1,200 Jews at a time, according to Laurence Rees, the author of "Auschwitz, a New History."

    According to a book entitled "The Bombing of Auschwitz: Should the Allies Have Attempted It?" by Michael J. Neufeld and Michael Berenbaum, Bunker 2 was 56 feet long and 27 feet wide. Each of the four gas chamber rooms was 14 feet by 7 "CONTINUED

    If you'll do the math, you'll see that it is physically impossible to fit 1,200 people into a space of only 392 square feet.

    Additionally, "Bunker 2" would have been entirely unsuitable as a homicidal gas chamber for anyone because if was far from airtight, had no exhaust system, no exhaust flue and had easily broken windows & doors.

    Do you really believe that is possible to squeeze more than 3 people inside the space of one square foot?

    Additional facts that prove the SHN to be fraudulent are photos taken from the air:

    "Air Photo Evidence"
    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html

    EXCERPT "To this day there is no air photo evidence to support the alleged mass murder of the Jews at any location in Europe occupied by the Germans during World War Two. Further, air photo analysis refutes the claim that the 'Nazis' had intended, at whatever time, to keep events in the alleged extermination camps secret. In many cases the air photos provide clear proof that some of the events attested to by witnesses, such as the destruction of the Hungarian Jews or the mass executions at Babi Yar, did not in fact take place. We may hope that the release of Soviet air photos dating from the time the camps were in operation will shed further light on these issues. The fact that these photos have not been published to date may already speak for itself. That the photos in western hands were altered in order to incriminate Germany, and were first published by the CIA, is also very significant indeed." CONTINUED
     
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    The silly "gas van" myth has got to be one of the more ludicrous of all the holocaustian frauds especially in light of the fact that execution by Diesel engine fumes is one of the least effective and slowest means of killing anyone.
    As the Allies discovered, there are few more effective ways of killing large numbers of people than slaughtering them by indiscriminate aerial bombardment(1) or simply shooting them.

    It is as absurd as it is falsely slanderous to think that the efficient Germans would chase hapless peasants around the Eastern hinterlands with ominous, lumbering "gas vans" in a futile effort to herd them in these grotesque vehicles for execution at about a dozen at a time.

    This additional fraudulent hoax is even more ridiculous after the Soviets & Western Allies effectively demonstrated that far more people could be murdered simply by starvation or machine gun.
    If murdering large numbers of people by "gas van" was in any way effective, we have to wonder why they have never been used before or since.

    Finally, if anyone was executed in one of these inefficient contraptions, their skin would have exhibited the unique characteristic of turning pink or cherry red yet there is not one mention of this fact in the entirety of fraudulent holocaustian lore.

    What will the fraudulent Holocaust Industry(2) come up with next in its frenetic and desperate attempt to shock the gullible and extract additional $ Billions?



    (1) QUOTE:
    “I do not want suggestions as to how we can disable the economy and the machinery of war, what I want are suggestions as to how we can roast the German refugees on their escape from Breslau.”
    Prime Minister Winston Churchill


    (2) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED
     
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    There is no hard evidence that anyone was was killed via homicidal gas chambers. Atrocity propaganda myths fabricated by the Allies were employed to demonize the Germans and deflect attention from genuine Allied atrocities. such as the Soviet Katyn massacre, Churchill's "roasting" of German refugees(1), Eisenhower's real Death Camps(2) etc

    I showed in an earlier Post how the outrageous claims made by the Holocaust Industry & its complicit Western MSM are easily shown to be physically impossible by simple math.

    For example:

    "Ruins of Bunker 2"
    https://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Birkenau/RuinsBunker2.html

    EXCERPTS "As the four photos above show, Bunker 2 was divided into four small rooms which had the capacity to kill 1,200 Jews at a time, according to Laurence Rees, the author of "Auschwitz, a New History."

    According to a book entitled "The Bombing of Auschwitz: Should the Allies Have Attempted It?" by Michael J. Neufeld and Michael Berenbaum, Bunker 2 was 56 feet long and 27 feet wide. Each of the four gas chamber rooms was 14 feet by 7 "CONTINUED

    If you'll do the math, you'll see that it is physically impossible to fit 1,200 people into a space of only 392 square feet.

    Additionally, "Bunker 2" would have been entirely unsuitable as a homicidal gas chamber for anyone because if was far from airtight, had no exhaust system, no exhaust flue and had easily broken windows & doors.

    So, I'll ask you once again, do you really believe that is possible to squeeze more than 3 people inside the space of one square foot?

    If you're going to make outrageous accusations about what the "evil" Germans did during WW 2, you should have something more than unsupportable and contradictory hearsay.


    (1) “I do not want suggestions as to how we can disable the economy and the machinery of war, what I want are suggestions as to how we can roast the German refugees on their escape from Breslau.”

    Winston Churchill


    (2) “Buried Alive Screaming In The Night: German POW Survivors Describe Eisenhower’s Extermination Camps After WWII Had Ended”
    https://wearswar.wordpress.com/2018...ers-extermination-camps-after-wwii-had-ended/


    EXCERPT “The Western Allies deliberately murdered approximately 1 million disarmed German POWs by means of starvation, exposure, and illness. This Allied atrocity was first publicly exposed in 1989 in the book Other Losses by James Bacque. Bacque estimates in Other Losses that the victims undoubtedly number over 790,000, almost certainly over 900,000, and quite likely over a million. The prisoners’ deaths were knowingly caused by army officers who had sufficient resources to keep these prisoners alive. Relief organizations such as the Red Cross that attempted to help prisoners in the American camps were refused permission by the army. “CONTINUED
     
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    There were the Auschwitz trials in Germany in the 1960s. Many of the perpetrators and witnesses confirmed the mass murder with poison gas.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_Auschwitz_trials

    Here you'll find tape recordings of the court hearings:
    https://www.auschwitz-prozess.de/
    (in German language)

    Please don't say anymore there is no evidence. Repeating something wrong over and over doesn't make it right. :(
     
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    You're right. There is no hard evidence that there were homicidal gas chambers in any one of the German run camps and I've already shown that the Zionist dominated Wikipedia is entirely unreliable when it comes to the holocaust or issues related to Israel - Palestine .

    Tortured "confessions" and contradictory hearsay are not hard evidence and are the least reliable form of any evidence.

    Additionally, not one blueprint, construction order or photograph exists while, according to the Red Cross & the Vatican, thousands of former inmates admit that they knew nothing of homicidal gas chambers(1)

    Why are you being so evasive in regard to my proof that the holocaust gassing story is not physically possible?

    "Ruins of Bunker 2"
    https://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Birkenau/RuinsBunker2.html

    EXCERPTS "As the four photos above show, Bunker 2 was divided into four small rooms which had the capacity to kill 1,200 Jews at a time, according to Laurence Rees, the author of "Auschwitz, a New History."

    According to a book entitled "The Bombing of Auschwitz: Should the Allies Have Attempted It?" by Michael J. Neufeld and Michael Berenbaum, Bunker 2 was 56 feet long and 27 feet wide. Each of the four gas chamber rooms was 14 feet by 7 "CONTINUED

    If you'll do the math, you'll see that it is physically impossible to fit 1,200 people into a space of only 392 square feet.

    Additionally, "Bunker 2" would have been entirely unsuitable as a homicidal gas chamber for anyone because if was far from airtight, had no exhaust system, no exhaust flue and had easily broken windows & doors.

    So, I'll ask you for the third time, do you really believe that is possible to squeeze more than 3 people inside the space of one square foot?

    The only reason I have to repeat myself is because you refuse to answer a simple question.


    (1) “The Problems of Mass Gassing”
    http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/05/was-there-really-a-judaic-holocaust/

    EXCERPT "This brings up the following questions:

    • 1). Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.

    • 2). There have been thousands of investigations of alleged Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single person gassed—AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000 MASS GASSINGS!

    • 3). Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also died from typhus.

    • 4). The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp inmates at the end of the War about alleged gas chambers. The response was always the same, "The detainees themselves have not spoken of them" (Red Cross document No. 9925, June 1946)." CONTINUED
     
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    I would never claim something that I knew to be false. That would be lying.
    I believe that it was @Ronstar who claimed that homicidal gas chamber drawings from Auschwitz had been found only they turned out to be fake(1)

    There simply are no authentic, German blueprints, work orders or photographs of a German made homicidal gas chambers because like the shocking "human skin lampshades", "human fat soap", homicidal steam chambers, homicidal electrocution chambers, "vaporizer"(2) etc, they are a product of Allied atrocity propaganda(3).

    I've read the NMT (Nuremberg Military Tribunal) "green series" which confirms that propaganda leaflets about homicidal gas chambers were dropped around Auschwitz.

    There are, of course, phony drawings and fake "reproduction" gas chambers in holocaust theme parks around the world but there is absolutely no evidence that authentic, German, homicidal gas chambers ever existed except in the twisted minds of holocaust survivors who lie for cash and fame.

    Re:
    Who wouldn't be pleased whenever people are finally granted the freedom to discuss a topic in an open and honest manner. The people who are most fearful of an honest examination of the holocaust story are those who have cheated millions of people out of $ Billions based on fragile lies that cannot stand up to the sunlight of honest examination.

    Finally, I assume that you do not believe that more than 3 people can fit into a space of 1 square foot but simply wanted to show you just one example of how simple math and independent thinking debunks the countless lies generated by the Holocaust Industry that too many believe without question.

    Thanks,



    (1) "Auschwitz Expert: Blueprints Found in Berlin Not of Death Camp"
    https://www.haaretz.com/1.5056721

    EXCERPT "Prof. Robert Jan van Pelt, a internationally acknowledged expert on the planning and construction of Auschwitz,

    Van Pelt, an architectural historian, said that copies of the plans of the stages of the camp's construction were also in the archive of the Polish National Museum at Auschwitz and in an archive in Moscow.

    Van Pelt said he also doubted the authenticity of the signature of the SS chief, Heinrich Himmler, since such a high-ranking officer would not have signed such plans, and none of the copies he had ever seen bore such a signature.

    Van Pelt also said the words "gas chamber" on one of the drawings meant a room in which disinfection of clothing was done by means of gas, and that the sketch is not of an extermination camp established in 1942, but rather of earlier plans for a huge concentration camp in which a force of 130,000 slave laborers was intended to work.

    Van Pelt suggested the plans might be fakes, motivated by the lucrative market in Nazi memorabilia and documents."CONTINUED


    (2) "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts"
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT "At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans had used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." [8] No reputable historian now accepts either of these fanciful tales."CONTINUED


    (3) “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts”
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda

    The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED

    15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.
     
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    These fake drawings are from 2008.
    Pressac's book is older. Some blueprints are already shown there.
    http://web.archive.org/web/20110717...sac/technique-and-operation/pressac0302.shtml

    Those who lost family members to Nazi crimes. Not only Jews.
     
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    Hello, Grau;
    for you especially I found this article in English about the

    AfD seeks protection under Paragraph 130 for Germans too!
    Published by carolyn on Fri, 2018-04-27

    A MEMBER OF THE ALTERNATIVE FUER DEUTSCHLAND PARTY INTRODUCED A BILL TODAY IN THE GERMAN BUNDESTAG calling for the notorious Paragraph 130 of the German Criminal Code to be amended to include Germans under its protection.

    "The AfD wants just one thing," said fraction member Jens Maier, presenting the bill to the parliament. "Namely that Germans are also protected from hate speech and mockery. Our draft bill is supposed to close a gap in the criminal code."

    Here is a longer explanation that Maier posted on his Facebook page in German (automatically translated):

    The aim is to prevent the communication of group-focused enmity against the ancestral German population, which incites to hatred against the German population, which calls for acts of violence and arbitrariness or which attacks the human dignity of all Germans.

    Not infrequently, German citizens are the victims of massive verbal abuse, for example as "Köterrasse" (meaning mongrel race). Violent crimes of foreign perpetrators against Germans often go hand in hand with insults meant to diminish the victims, explicitly directed against the Germans as a people ("**** Germans").

    The intention is to create the legislative framework for the fact that even the hate offense against the German people is a criminal incitement.

    As it stands. Paragraph 130 says that a maximum 3-year prison sentence—or a fine—can await anyone “"whosoever, in a manner capable of disturbing the public peace incites hatred against a national, racial, religious group or a group defined by their ethnic origins, against segments of the population or individuals because of their belonging to one of the aforementioned groups or segments of the population or calls for violent or arbitrary measures against them."

    Maier claims that the German government does “nothing, or next to nothing” to protect the German population from racism, and that German courts could apply the paragraph to hate speech against Germans if they wanted to, "but they don't do it."

    Nothing but criticism came from the other parties in the Bundestag, who all opposed the legislation. For example, a spokeswoman for the Left party (former Communist Party) accused the AfD of wanting to abolish Paragraph 130 so they could freely attack “the disabled, refugees, Jews, Muslims, and leftists, unhindered. You love fear, and can't get enough of it,” said Martina Renner un-collegially (to put it mildly).

    Sarah Rygewski of the Social Democrats wondered "who exactly would be defined as German under AfD's proposal, given that many, including herself (Polish), had roots in other countries.” In Poland, the cry is “Poland for the Poles” but when they occupy other countries, it's a different story.

    These people have an interest in having Germans become second-class citizens. Clearly, the indigenous Britons are already second-class citizens in the UK. It is the ruling class and ruling parties that are betraying the people, while the AfD is one of the few true peoples' parties.

    Weidel wins lawsuit

    In other AfD news, co-leader Alice Weidel got a favorable ruling in a Hamburg court in her lawsuit against Facebook over an insulting comment directed at her. In September, a user identified as Sanda G. left a german-language comment calling Weidel a “Nazi” and insulted her over her sexual orientation. Facebook refused to remove the comment even after it was reported to them. Only after Wiedel herself contacted them did they hide it from view for German readers, but still did not remove it from the view of other readers.

    Facebook attorney Martin Munz commented, “Facebook is not a superjudge.” Not for those on the left, maybe, but yes for those on the Nationalist "Right.”'

    Germany's new Anti-Semitism Commissioner

    (The following information is taken from two recent reports - April 26 & 27- at the very biased Deutsche Welle website.)


    Read on here:

    https://carolynyeager.net/afd-seeks-protection-under-paragraph-130-germans-too
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    That seems to be a morally and legally fair request by the AfD. But this is already 2 1/2 years old and I haven't heard that they have received a positive response. Must keep looking!
     
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