Evidence that the Holocaust DIDN'T happen?

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    That drawing / blueprint and supplemental notes make no mention of a homicidal gas chamber.

    The only authentic blueprint / drawing of any form of gas chamber are small rooms that were used for delousing purposes.

    Not only were there no homicidal steam, electrocution, or gas chambers anywhere to be found, there is no mention of "gassing" in the Auschwitz Death Ledger. There are detailed records of people being shot and hung but no record of anyone dying by means of "gassing".

    As you already know, the British cracked the German "Enigma" code that recorded everyday events at all the camps. There, too, are mentions of executions by shooting and hanging but no mention of anyone being "gassed"(1)

    Additionally, the Soviets withheld the captured Auschwitz Death Ledger for over 40 years. That document records that "only" 68,864 people died of all causes, not the grossly inflated holocaustian figure of 1.1 million.

    Holocaustians like to claim that the holocaust is the most extensively document mass killing ever but always ignore the documents that contradict their grossly inflated death count.

    Why?

    Re:
    The only people who would be saddened by the truth are German hating crooks, Hollywood propagandists and wealthy Holocaust Industry extortionists.



    (1) "Did German Homicidal Gas Chambers Exist?"
    http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/12/1/7200

    EXCERPT “Startling evidence was also revealed in 1989 when the Soviets released some of the Auschwitz death-registry volumes that fell into Soviet hands in January 1945 when the Red Army captured Auschwitz. The death certificates contained in these volumes were official German documents issued by Auschwitz camp doctors upon the death of an inmate. Each death certificate includes the deceased person’s full name, profession and religion, date and place of birth, pre-Auschwitz residence, parents’ names, time of death, cause of death, and a camp physician’s signature. The death-registry volumes recorded the deaths of approximately 69,000 Auschwitz inmates, of whom approximately 30,000 were Jewish. Most of the deaths were caused by disease, although some death certificates recorded executions by shooting or hanging. None of the death certificates recorded death by gassing.[21]


    The Auschwitz death-registry volumes call into question the existence of homicidal gas chambers. Why would the German authorities record executions by shooting or hanging and not record any by gassings? Also, why did the Soviets suppress the release of these volumes for 44 years? The Auschwitz death-registry volumes are totally inconsistent with Auschwitz being a center of mass extermination using homicidal gas chambers.[22]


    Another important piece of evidence arguing against the existence of homicidal gas chambers is that the British broke the ultra-secret Enigma code used by the Germans to encode radio transmisions. During 1942 and 1943 British intelligence intercepted daily encoded messages from Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Dachau and seven other camps. Every day the Germans recorded the numbers of dead and the causes of death at each camp. The transmissions from Auschwitz mentioned illness as the primary cause of death, but also reported deaths attributable to shootings and hangings. There was no reference to gassing as a cause of death in any of the decoded messages.[23]


    The numbers of dead in the decoded messages from Auschwitz roughly correlate with the numbers of dead recorded in the Auschwitz death-registry volumes. Since the Germans made their reports in transmissions using a supposedly indecipherable code, why would they report deaths from shootings and hangings but not from homicidal gassings? The Germans would have no reason to hide deaths by homicidal gassings in their encoded messages if such deaths had actually taken place.” CONTINUED
     
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    Thank you Jazz,

    I'm not that familiar with Paragraph 130 of the German Criminal Code.
    Is it the law that prohibits individuals from expressing the truth about the holocaust that has been somewhat effective in brainwashing unfortunate, gullible people?
    If so, it's long past time to dump that old vestige of foreign occupation and move on.

    Poland, I noticed, has a very different law that prohibits people from expressing any claim that Poles or the Polish government had any part in the persecution of anyone during WW 2.
    They want to blame anything bad that happened to anyone during that era on the Germans and repress facts relating the widespread Polish persecution and massacres of Jews.

    This Polish law reads:

    “Whoever claims, publicly and contrary to the facts, that the Polish Nation or the Republic of Poland is responsible or co-responsible for Nazi crimes committed by the Third Reich… or for other felonies that constitute crimes against peace, crimes against humanity or war crimes, or whoever otherwise grossly diminishes the responsibility of the true perpetrators of said crimes – shall be liable to a fine or imprisonment for up to three years.”(1)

    It seems like everyone is OK with blaming the Germans for everything that occurred during WW 2, including the Germans.

    Many thanks,



    (1) "1946 US report said ‘Poles persecuted the Jews as vigorously as did the Germans’"
    "Post-war declassified State Department document found long history of Polish anti-Semitism before, during and after Holocaust"
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/1946-...ed-the-jews-as-vigorously-as-did-the-germans/

    EXCERPT "A US State Department report from May 15, 1946, found “evidence that Poles persecuted the Jews as vigorously as did the Germans” during the World War II Nazi occupation of Poland.

    The declassified report was distributed Thursday by the Simon Wiesenthal Center, the same day that a Polish law making it a crime to accuse the Polish nation of Nazi-era atrocities took effect. Also Thursday, senior Israeli and Polish diplomats met in Jerusalem in a bid to resolve differences over the law." CONTINUED
     
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    Thanks for the Polish article/law.
    So, what makes me wonder now is, why don't the Jews exploit Poland as well? Why only the Germans??
     
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    You're very welcome.

    The new Polish law is meant to absolve Poland and the Poles of any responsibility for their extensive participation in WW 2 era war crimes.

    I assume that also means the mention of mass murder of German Nationals along the Danzig corridor (1) that along with Judea's declaration of war on Germany were among the many causes of WW 2.

    By "the Jews", I assume you mean the corrupt Holocaust Industry(2) as I do not see the Jewish people, in general, as any more exploitative
    than any other group of people.

    Since the Holocaust Industry has successfully extorted $ Billions from several countries, industries and entities around the world, I can only assume that they have not yet targeted Poland because there is not that much to extort and the Polish government denies any complicity in the persecution of the Jewish people.

    This does not mean that the insatiable Holocaust Industry does not plan an extortion initiative against Poland in the future but for now, the grasping for cash remains targeted at Germany into the next generation(3).



    (1) "The 1939 Danzig Massacres of ethnic Germans which caused Hitler to invade Poland"
    http://fr.soc.histoire.narkive.com/...-germans-which-caused-hitler-to-invade-poland

    The 1939 Danzig Massacres

    EXCERPT "In the months leading up to the German invasion the Polish Army and independent Bolshevik units had been slaughtering German nationals in the Danzig corridor. Mass killings of thousands of civilian ethnic
    Germans (Volksdeutsche) by both civilian and Russian NDVK Jews, who
    were confident that Poland would quickly defeat Germany. Many
    apparently expected to take possession of German farms and businesses.
    An estimated 58,000 German civilians lost their lives in the massacres
    carried out prior to the 1939 invasion.

    Poles had been merrily slaughtering anything or anybody German since at
    least as early as April 1939, with smaller incidents stretching back to
    the close of WW I -- you haven't been told that by the Mass Media, or
    the fact that these atrocities were one of the main causes for the German invasion of Poland.

    Germany had protesting in writing to the League of Nations literally dozens of times with no results."CONTINUED


    (2) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


    (3) "Holocaust Survivors' Children Sue Germany for Therapy Fees"
    https://www.haaretz.com/1.4952800

    EXCERPT "Suit, filed in Tel Aviv, seeks funds to pay for biweekly therapy sessions for up to 20,000 affected by the scars of their parents.

    The lawsuit marks the very first time that the German government will be asked to take responsibility and to care for those of the second generation in Israel and indeed, worldwide, attorney Gideon Fisher said before filing the suit at the Tel Aviv District Court."CONTINUED
     
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    Naturally! It follows the pattern of "the winner sets the rules; the winner gets to write the history for the loser's kids to study and ingest.
    I mean the leaders, the decision makers, Germany's accusers, the ones who dictated the Versailles Treaty, the war mongers, the ones Benjamin Freedman mentioned in his 1961 speech who betrayed Germany in 1916 and hissed the Americans against us!
    I don't mean my neighbor!!;-)
    My mother-in-law once claimed eating too many potatoes makes a person stupid and hence, the Germans lost the war, they had voted in the wrong leader!! True, Germans ate a lot of potatoes, at least at my time!!!
    Now you know, Mr. Grau, I am one of those Germans!:nerd: :nana::brainless: but this :rose: is for U! :razz:
     
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    Re:
    Of course you're right. I believe that it was Churchill along with many others who observed, "The victors write the history." and in the case of WW 2 propaganda, it was Allied atrocity propaganda that became the "history" so many have been deceived into believing without question.

    The genocidal gas chamber myth was just such an example of Allied atrocity propaganda(1) that has endured while other myths about homicidal steam chambers, homicidal electrocution chambers and even an absurd "vaporizer"(2) have fallen by the wayside.

    Re:
    In my Post # 1929 on a related thread, "About the Holocaust", I listed some individuals who happened to be Jewish who represented the hostility of many Jewish leaders around the world toward Hitler's "New Germany".

    I also quoted Lloyd George's observation about the enormous influence at Versailles of the international bankers most of whom were Jewish:

    "The international bankers swept statesmen, politicians, journalists and jurists all to one side and issued their orders with the imperiousness of absolute monarchs."


    1. "We Jews are going to bring a war on Germany." - David A. Brown, National Chairman, United
    Jewish Campaign, 1934


    2. "There is only one power which really counts. The power of political pressure. We Jews are the
    most powerful people on earth, because we have this power, and we know how to apply it." -

    Vladimir Jabotinsky, Jewish Daily Bulletin,


    3. "Before the end of the year, an economic bloc of England, Russia, France and the U.S. A will be
    formed to bring the German and Italian economic systems to their knees."
    - Paul Dreyfus,


    4. "... the American Hebrew boasted that they had Jews in the foremost
    positions of influence in Britain, Russia and France, and that these "three sons of Israel will be
    sending the Nazi dictator to hell."
    - Joseph Trimble, the American Hebrew.


    5. "Germany is our public enemy number one. It is our object to declare war without mercy against
    her. One may be sure of this: We will lead that war!"
    - Bernard Lecache, the president of the
    "International League Against Racism and Anti-Semitism,"


    Re:
    I'm afraid that I must disagree with your mother-in-law both about potatoes and Germany's choice of Hitler being the cause of WW 2.

    WW 2 would have happened with or without Hitler's being Germany's leader. In addition to the bellicose threats listed above, other nations were planning to dismember Germany or push it to war.
    Stalin, according to his troop positioning and the opinion of many historians, was preparing to sweep West into Europe as early as 1941 - 1942. (3)
    Additionally, France attacked Germany as early as September 1939 (4) and even though Hitler allowed the British and French to escape at Dunkirk, Churchill rejected Hitler many peace offers including the one brought by Rudolph Hess (5), (6).

    So, I think that we can all continue to eat potatoes with peace of mind and thank you for the rose.


    (1) “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts”
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda

    The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED

    15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.


    (2) "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts"
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT "At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans had used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." [8] No reputable historian now accepts either of these fanciful tales."CONTINUED


    (3) "Exposing Stalin’s Plan to Conquer Europe:…"
    https://www.counter-currents.com/201...onquer-europe/

    EXCERPT "In Icebreaker, Suvorov details the deployment of Soviet forces in June 1941, describing just how Stalin amassed vast numbers of troops and stores of weapons along the European frontier, not to defend the Soviet homeland but in preparation for a westward attack and decisive battles on enemy territory."CONTINUED


    (4) "When The French Army Invaded Germany in 1939 To Support Poland, All Did Not Go As Planned"
    https://www.warhistoryonline.com/in...e-french-army-invaded-germany-in-1939-xb.html

    EXCERPT "Germany was not the first country to go on the offensive on the western front of World War Two. That first attack came from France, which launched a brief and ineffective invasion of Germany in September 1939."CONTINUED


    (5) "Hitler didn't want world war"
    http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/hitlernowar.html

    EXCERPT "Hitler didn't want a world war, and had no stomach for fighting England, according to Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Louis Kilzer, author of "Churchill's Deception" (Simon & Schuster, 1994).

    Hitler believed the future of Western civilization depended on the cooperation of Germany and her Aryan cousins: England and the United States. His territorial demands were limited to conquering Communist Russia, which he regarded as a proxy for Jewish world ambitions. He was determined to avoid fighting a war on two fronts.

    The "miracle at Dunkirk" was in fact an extraordinary peace overture to England. We don't normally associate Hitler with such magnanimity." CONTINUED


    (6) "Nazis ‘offered to leave western Europe in exchange for free hand to attack USSR"
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/...in-exchange-for-free-hand-to-attack-USSR.html

    EXCERPT The academic said Hess had brought with him the proposed peace treaty, expressed in numbered clauses and typed on paper from the German Chancellery. An English translation was also included, but the British also wanted the original German translated." CONTINUED


     
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    It's become boring. So, on my search for some new and fresh material for our discussion, I came upon this article with video:

    Germany steps up the fight against Holocaust denial
    2020-08-01


    https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/other/germany-steps-up-the-fight-against-holocaust-denial/ar-BB17snsE

    In the video they also showed an old Lady holocaust survivor, who mentioned the smoke coming out of the chimneys when she got to Auschwitz... "from the crematoriums", they told her. (minute 26:05).

    Why do they ruin their fresh aim of combating antisemitism with such "alte Kamellen", which nobody believes anymore at this time?
    Or an elderly man asks, "why do the Germans murder an innocent nine-year-old girl? Why?"

    It's sad to watch. Don't they have some bigger canons, rooted in truth and facts, to shoot the Germans to Smithereens? I guess that is not necessary since they already got Germany perfectly and happily in the bag!
    [​IMG]
    She makes a nice doormat, too! :D




    https://inconvenienthistory.com/12/3/7374
     
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    Re:
    By, "It's become boring.", I'm not sure if you mean this particular thread or the topic at hand.

    It looks like none of the fervent holocaustians are capable of refuting the hard evidence that debunks the myths that they've been duped into believing.
    I think that's what happens when holocaustians are forced to debate without their usual tactics of slander, evasion and deception.

    The facts simply aren't there to support the standard holocaust narrative (SHN). The only "evidence" to support the SHN is the most unreliable form of evidence and that is hysterical & emotionally charged hearsay (i.e. fabricated stories).

    Holocaustians claim that there are "mountains" of documents but yet not one of those documents support the myth that Hitler ordered the destruction of Europe's Jews or contain any evidence that there were "homicidal gas chambers".

    On the other hand, even those "mountains of documents", that were not destroyed by the Allies show that there was only enough fuel (coke/coal) to cremate about 70,000 people at Auschwitz and the long withheld Auschwitz Death Ledger confirms that about that same number died of all causes in Auschwitz, not the grossly inflated figure of 1.1 million.

    Re:
    Who hasn't heard numerous unsupported, outrageous and emotionally charged stories from the millions of people claiming to be "Holocaust survivors"?
    The fact that there are so many "holocaust survivors", itself, is evidence that there was no genuine "Final Solution". Additionally, there were about 4 million more Jewish individuals after the war years than before according to Jewish sources. That means that 6 million could not have been killed as per the SHN.
    Regardless, since distorted WW 2 fables and holocaust horror stories are such a popular genre, we'll be seeing more and more profitable holo-horror stories for a long time(1).

    The good news is that most people around the world do not believe the fraudulent SHN according to an ADL poll(2). I suspect that far fewer people believe the fraudulent SHN because they were deterred from answering honestly due to the chance of facing persecution in those countries that have draconian and very revealing "holocaust denial laws".

    I say "revealing" because it should cause thinking people to wonder why only the SHN needs "Holocaust denial laws" when other, more accurately represented mass tragedies don't need to hide behind government mandates.


    Re:
    Yes, the multi Billion dollar, international Holocaust Industry and its complicit Western MSM is relentless in saturating the airwaves with holo-horror stories and residual, Allied WW 2 atrocity propaganda but I think that you can take some comfort in the findings of a BBC poll(3) that reveals Germany to be the most popular country in the world.
    At least according to this poll, people are more likely to ask: "Why do the Israelis murder an innocent nine-year-old girl? Why?"


    (1) "Could there be anything more twisted than these Holocaust fantasists? How more and more people are making up memoirs about witnessing Nazi crimes"
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...le-making-memoirs-witnessing-Nazi-crimes.html

    EXCERPT "Unfortunately, despite all these examples, publishers are still wilfully selling suspect memoirs based on the Holocaust and the war.

    No doubt there will be more books of this type. With publishers fighting it out to sell the latest tale of World War II derring-do, or Holocaust misery, it seems unlikely this is a genre that will die out.

    Anybody reading these books should stop and ask themselves whether what they hold in their hands is, in fact, true." CONTINUED


    (2) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED


    (3) “BBC Poll: Israel Among World's Least Popular Nations”

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/bb...tions-1.525890

    EXCERPT“The annual BBC World Service poll finds Germany most popular; only countries less popular than Israel are North Korea, Pakistan and Iran.”CONTINUED
     
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    Well, don't you get bored repeating and explaining the same thing over and over? I had to throw in that cat to liven up the sad and depressingly boring and never ending topic. She does look pretty sharp on my desktop, too!

    I actually did find something new today. Remember the Wannsee Konferrenz, where the German Brass supposedly planned the "Endloesung", say "murder", of all the European Jews? There exists an under-oath statement, which claims Adolf Hitler has said on several occasions to wait until after the war to tackle solving the Jewish question.

     
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    Yes, I do but WW 2 and the fraudulent holocaust story are just 2 of the many interests I have. On the other hand, I am so sickened with "Holocaust Fatigue" and the ridiculous lies that go along with with the physically impossible holocaust conspiracy theory that I can't resist confronting them.
    Also, I am part German and can't stand to have my ancestors so outrageously slandered by unthinking sheep who simply parrot the nonsense generated by the fraudulent, multi Billion dollar Holocaust Industry & its complicit MSM.

    This topic, I'm afraid, is "never ending" due to pressure by the relentless Holocaust Industry to "Never forget"(*). Not a day goes by without some redundant, holocaust related, pseudo sob story to help perpetuate a lie and keep the cash coming in (1) for generations to come. (2)

    It's all about keeping the cash coming in whether it's about extorting more money from Germany or cranking out phony holocaust related movies and fraudulent memoirs(3).

    So, as long as there's easy money to be made and brainwashing to be done, we'll continue to hear about "The Holocaust®" even after the Holocaust Claims Commission has been caught cheating both Germany and holocaust survivors(4), (5).

    It's encouraging to know that in spite of the extensive machinations of the Holocaust Industry, most people do not believe their lies.(6)

    Now, I'm off to read or do something entirely unrelated to debunking holocaustian nonsense.

    Please keep those cat pictures coming.

    Many thanks,



    (*) "Holocaust Education: Passing on the Knowledge"
    http://www.claimscon.org/what-we-do/allocations/red/education/

    EXCERPT "The Claims Conference funds numerous organizations that train educators from around the world, including in countries with tiny Jewish communities.

    Claims Conference allocations provide scholarships to allow needy students from around the world to visit sites of Nazi atrocities through organizations such as Birthright Israel, Israel Experience, and the Jewish Agency for Israel." CONTINUED


    (1) "80 years on, Austria’s Jews renew demand for Holocaust reparations"
    https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com...cle_20c2a8b0-3725-5281-9c09-2c0751fae4c2.html



    (2) "Holocaust Survivors' Children Sue Germany for Therapy Fees"
    https://www.haaretz.com/1.4952800

    EXCERPT "Suit, filed in Tel Aviv, seeks funds to pay for biweekly therapy sessions for up to 20,000 affected by the scars of their parents.

    The lawsuit marks the very first time that the German government will be asked to take responsibility and to care for those of the second generation in Israel and indeed, worldwide, attorney Gideon Fisher said before filing the suit at the Tel Aviv District Court."CONTINUED


    (3) "Could there be anything more twisted than these Holocaust fantasists? How more and more people are making up memoirs about witnessing Nazi crimes"
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...le-making-memoirs-witnessing-Nazi-crimes.html

    EXCERPT "Unfortunately, despite all these examples, publishers are still wilfully selling suspect memoirs based on the Holocaust and the war.

    No doubt there will be more books of this type. With publishers fighting it out to sell the latest tale of World War II derring-do, or Holocaust misery, it seems unlikely this is a genre that will die out.

    Anybody reading these books should stop and ask themselves whether what they hold in their hands is, in fact, true." CONTINUED


    (4) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED



    (5) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”
    ”CONTINUED


    (6) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED
     
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    I'm happy to hear that, Mr. Grau! Partly German is better than not German at all!! :salute:ahem... :D
    Yes, I know, and I have learned quite a bit, but the absolute proof of the pudding, as the saying goes, is for me still missing: I did not see with my own eyes any gassings and shootings nor massacring of Jews or anybody else. Everything I know about this subject comes from books and the internet.
    Ultimately, it is up to the German Government to decide what the truth is, and so far they have accepted the Jewish version as facts. There are four possibilities why they have accepted the "Holocaust":
    1) they were forced.
    2) they could not argue against it for reasons of survival.
    3) why change things now, after three generations were already born and raised with the "Holocaust"?
    4) they know the official version to be true!! [/quote]

    Anyway, I came here to see, if you had already heard of Germany's over half a billion $$$ payment to surviving and with the coronavirus struggling holocaust survivors?

    Germany agrees to send $662 million in aid to Holocaust survivors

    [​IMG]
    A group of children wearing concentration camp uniforms behind barbed wire fencing in the Oswiecim (Auschwitz) nazi concentration camp.

    BERLIN >> Germany has agreed to provide more than a half billion euros to aid Holocaust survivors struggling under the burdens of the coronavirus pandemic, the organization that negotiates compensation with the German government said Wednesday.

    The payments will be going to approximately 240,000 survivors around the world, primarily in Israel, North America, the former Soviet Union and Western Europe, over the next two years, according to the New York-based Conference on Jewish Material Claims Against Germany, also referred to as the Claims Conference.

    With the end of World War II now 75 years in the past, Holocaust survivors are all elderly, and because many were deprived of proper nutrition when they were young today they suffer from numerous medical issues. In addition, many live isolated lives having lost their entire families and also have psychological issues because of their persecution under the Nazis.

    “There’s this kind of standard response for survivors, that ‘we’ve been through worse, I’ve been through worse and if I survived the Holocaust, through the deprivation of food and what we had to go through, I’ll get through this,’” said Greg Schneider, executive vice president of the Claims Conference, in a telephone interview from New York with The Associated Press.

    “But if you probe deeper you understand the depths of trauma that still resides within people.”

    Many are also on the poverty line, and the additional costs of masks and other protective gear, delivery groceries and other pandemic-related expenses has been crushing for many, Schneider said.

    “You’re teetering between making it every month,” he said. “Having to decide between food, medicine and rent.”

    The new funds are targeted to Jews who aren’t receiving pensions already from Germany, primarily people who fled the Nazis and ended up in Russia and elsewhere to hide during the war.

    Schneider said about 50% of Holocaust survivors in the U.S. live in Brooklyn and were particularly hard-hit when New York was the center of the American outbreak, but now numbers are looking worse in Israel and other places.

    “It’s a rolling calamity,” he said.

    Each of those survivors will receive two payments of 1,200 euros ($1,400) over the next two years, for an overall commitment of approximately 564 million euros ($662 million) to some of the poorest survivors alive today.

    Source:
    https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020...nd-662-million-in-aid-to-holocaust-survivors/

    That is very kind and generous of the German people, who themselves struggle just as hard. How they manage to deal with all this on top of the million+ refugees, is beyond me. Probably keep borrowing from the rich banks and add it to their already existing mountain of debt.
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    Anyway, I came here to see, if you had already heard of Germany's over half a billion $$$ payment to surviving and with the coronavirus struggling holocaust survivors?

    Germany agrees to send $662 million in aid to Holocaust survivors

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    A group of children wearing concentration camp uniforms behind barbed wire fencing in the Oswiecim (Auschwitz) nazi concentration camp.

    BERLIN >> Germany has agreed to provide more than a half billion euros to aid Holocaust survivors struggling under the burdens of the coronavirus pandemic, the organization that negotiates compensation with the German government said Wednesday.

    The payments will be going to approximately 240,000 survivors around the world, primarily in Israel, North America, the former Soviet Union and Western Europe, over the next two years, according to the New York-based Conference on Jewish Material Claims Against Germany, also referred to as the Claims Conference.

    With the end of World War II now 75 years in the past, Holocaust survivors are all elderly, and because many were deprived of proper nutrition when they were young today they suffer from numerous medical issues. In addition, many live isolated lives having lost their entire families and also have psychological issues because of their persecution under the Nazis.

    “There’s this kind of standard response for survivors, that ‘we’ve been through worse, I’ve been through worse and if I survived the Holocaust, through the deprivation of food and what we had to go through, I’ll get through this,’” said Greg Schneider, executive vice president of the Claims Conference, in a telephone interview from New York with The Associated Press.

    “But if you probe deeper you understand the depths of trauma that still resides within people.”

    Many are also on the poverty line, and the additional costs of masks and other protective gear, delivery groceries and other pandemic-related expenses has been crushing for many, Schneider said.

    “You’re teetering between making it every month,” he said. “Having to decide between food, medicine and rent.”

    The new funds are targeted to Jews who aren’t receiving pensions already from Germany, primarily people who fled the Nazis and ended up in Russia and elsewhere to hide during the war.

    Schneider said about 50% of Holocaust survivors in the U.S. live in Brooklyn and were particularly hard-hit when New York was the center of the American outbreak, but now numbers are looking worse in Israel and other places.

    “It’s a rolling calamity,” he said.

    Each of those survivors will receive two payments of 1,200 euros ($1,400) over the next two years, for an overall commitment of approximately 564 million euros ($662 million) to some of the poorest survivors alive today.

    Source:
    https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020...nd-662-million-in-aid-to-holocaust-survivors/

    That is very kind and generous of the German people, who themselves struggle just as hard. How they manage to deal with all this on top of the million+ refugees, is beyond me. Probably keep borrowing from the rich banks and add it to their already existing mountain of debt. [​IMG] Miau![/quote][/QUOTE]



    Sorry for the delay in responding, I seem to say that a lot these days but, such is the price of a busy life.

    I am not surprised that the fraudulent Holocaust Industry(1), (2) has succeeded in extorting even more from Germans most of whom were not even born during THE Holocaust®.
    Historically, most of the money extorted by the Holocaust Industry from anyone and everyone goes to spreading more holocaust propaganda, building even more holocaust grisly holocaust theme parks, private jets for Holocaust Industry CEO's, holocaust "education" (aka brainwashing).

    The amount of money, material, labor and arms that Israel and holocaustian parasites have extorted from Germany is well into the $ Trillions by now especially when you consider that it was, in reality, Germany that "made the deserts bloom" with both pre war and post war aid to the Zionist colony(3).
    In the 1950s, it was the Germans who built Israel's water treatment plants, steel mills, electric power stations with grid work, roads, 60 ships, railroads and the trains to go on them and the list goes on and on.

    It seems like Israel and Poland are at odds over a new Polish law that makes in a crime to blame Poland for any war crimes during WW 2 even though a newly released document show that the Poles persecuted Jews as vigorously as the Germans(4) so maybe the Holocaust Industry is getting ready to try to extort money from Poland, too.

    By the way, the photo that came with the article you referred to has children wearing the striped uniforms that only adults wore.
    The Communists who captured Auschwitz made the children wear the striped uniforms for propaganda purposes. Children didn't have to wear uniforms. That's why the uniforms are ridiculously too large.

    Thanks for the Siamese cat photo. My old boy is darker than that since they get darker as they get older.




    (1) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED



    (2) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”
    ”CONTINUED


    (3) “Inside the Germany/Israel Relationship”
    http://www.momentmag.com/inside-germ...-relationship/

    EXCERPTS “Federal Republic of Germany laid the groundwork for Israel’s infrastructure—including roads, railways and shipping—while simultaneously rebuilding West German industry.

    In addition to money, Israel also needed weapons. As early as 1954, German reparation funds were secretly being used to buy patrol boats, tanks and arms. Germany itself supplied Israel with weapons through a variety of back channels. Many details remain untold, but a 2006 U.S. Congressional Research Service report concluded that German-supplied arms “played a considerable role” in building up Israeli military might in the wars of 1967, 1973 and 1982."CONTINUED


    (4) "1946 US report said ‘Poles persecuted the Jews as vigorously as did the Germans’"

    "Post-war declassified State Department document found long history of Polish anti-Semitism before, during and after Holocaust"

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/1946-...ed-the-jews-as-vigorously-as-did-the-germans/

    EXCERPT "A US State Department report from May 15, 1946, found “evidence that Poles persecuted the Jews as vigorously as did the Germans” during the World War II Nazi occupation of Poland.


    The declassified report was distributed Thursday by the Simon Wiesenthal Center, the same day that a Polish law making it a crime to accuse the Polish nation of Nazi-era atrocities took effect. Also Thursday, senior Israeli and Polish diplomats met in Jerusalem in a bid to resolve differences over the law." CONTINUED
     
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    Thanks, Scott, that is a very comprehensive link, loaded with serious information. Everything under one roof, so to speak.
    I read about a Kurt Gerstein, whom I didn't know anything about. An interesting character who mysteriously died shortly after the war while in French custody.
    Your link probably contains more such little nuggets of information, at least for me.
     
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    Hello Jazz,

    If you're interested, there's a newer thread related to this one at:

    “Facebook bans Holocaust Denial and tampering of Nazi History”

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ering-of-nazi-history.579690/#post-1072132976


    Of course you can expect the usual gibberish from snarky, brainwashed holocaustions who are heavy on the lies and insults but light on civil and substantive debate.

    Enjoy your weekend...
     
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    Thanks for the additional source.

    Why would you regret sharing more information about what is the most profitable and fraudulent conspiracy theory in modern history?
     
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    I posted it without having read it first. I usually take a good look at what I find before posting it. I didn't have time to do so but I didn't want to make everyone wait so I took a chance.
     
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    There's some good stuff here.
    https://codoh.com/library/categories/holocaust-final-solution-techniques-gas-chambers/

    https://codoh.com/library/document/the-gas-chambers-truth-or-lie/en/
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    In this confession, the description of the actual gassing is remarkably short and vague. However, it is essential to realize that all those others who claim to have been present at this sort of an operation are also vague and brief and that their statements are full of contradictions on certain points. Rudolf Höss writes, "Half an hour after having released the gas, the door would be opened and the fan turned on. The bodies immediately began to be removed."[10] I call your attention to the word "immediately"; in German the word is sofort. Höss then adds that the crew in charge of handling and removing 2,000 bodies from the "gas chamber" and transporting them to the crematory ovens did so while "eating or smoking"; therefore, if I understand correctly, these duties were all performed without gas masks. Such a description runs counter to all common sense. It implies that it is possible to enter an area saturated with hydrocyanic acid without taking any precautionary measures in the barehanded handling of 2,000 cyanided cadavers which were probably still contaminated with the fatal gas. The hair (which was supposedly clipped after the operation) was undoubtedly impregnated with the gas. The mucous membranes would have been impregnated also. Air pockets between the bodies which were supposedly heaped one on top of the other would have been filled with the gas. What kind of superpowerful fan is able to instantly disperse so much gas drifting through the air and hidden in air pockets? Even if such a fan had existed, it would have been necessary to perform a test for the detection of any remaining hydrocyanic acid and to develop a procedure for informing the crew that the fan had actually fulfilled its function and that the room was safe. Now, it is abundantly clear from Höss' description that the fan in question must have been endowed with magical powers in order to be able to disperse all of the gas with such flawless performance so that there was no cause for concern or need for verification of the absence of the gas!

    What mere common sense suggested is now confirmed by the technical documents concerning Zyklon B and its usage.[11] In order to fumigate a barrack, the Germans were constrained by numerous precautionary measures: specially trained teams which were licensed only after an internship at a Zyklon B manufacturing plant; special materials including especially the "J" filters which when used in gas masks were capable of protecting an individual under the most rigorous toxic conditions; evacuations of all surrounding barracks; warnings posted in several languages and bearing a skull and cross-bones; a meticulous examination of the site to be fumigated in order to locate and seal any fissures or openings; the sealing of any chimneys or airshafts and the removal of keys from doors. The cans of Zyklon B were opened at the site itself. After the gas had apparently killed all the vermin, the most critical operation would begin: this was the ventilation of the site. Sentries were to be stationed at a certain distance from all doors and windows, their backs to the wind, in order to prevent the approach of all persons. The specially trained crew equipped with gas masks would then enter the building and unclog the chimneys and cracks, and open the windows. This operation completed, they had to go outside again, remove their masks and breathe freely for ten minutes. They had to put their masks on again to re-enter the building and perform the next step. Once all of this work was completed, it was still necessary to wait TWENTY hours. Actually, because Zyklon B was "difficult to ventilate, since it adheres strongly to surfaces," the dispersion of the gas required a long natural ventilation. This was especially important when great volumes of the gas were employed as in the case of a barrack containing more than one floor. (When Zyklon B was used in an autoclave with a total volume of only 10 cubic meters, ventilation (forced or artificially) was still necessary.) After twenty hours had elapsed, the crew would return with their masks on. They would then verify by means of a paper test (the paper would turn blue in the presence of hydrocyanic acid) as to whether or not the site was indeed again fit for human habitation. And so we see that a site which had been gassed was not safely accessible until a minimum of 21 hours had elapsed. As far as French legislation is concerned, the minimum is set at 24 hours.[12]

    It becomes, therefore, apparent that in the absence of a magical fan capable of instantly expelling a gas that is "difficult to ventilate, since it adheres strongly to surfaces," the "human slaughterhouse" called a "gas chamber" would have been inaccessible for nearly a full day. its walls, floors, ceiling would have retained portions of a gas which was highly poisonous to man. And what about the bodies? These cadavers could have been nothing less than saturated with the gas, just as the cushions, mattresses and blankets discussed in the same technical document on the use of Zyklon B would have been saturated also. These mattresses, etc., had to be taken out of doors to be aired and beaten for an hour under dry atmospheric conditions and for two hours when the weather was humid. When this was accomplished, these items were then heaped together and beaten again if the paper test revealed any further presence of hydrocyanic acid.
     
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    Now I can understand when Ursula Haverbeck says, nobody was gassed! She knew about this and probably a lot more.

    And Hoess? He exaggerated not only the numbers of those killed in Auschwitz, but he also lied about the airing-out process of the gassed place to let the German people and the rest of the world know he was deliberately lying. It went as "proof" into the history books for all Eternity! THAT was the aim of his captors!

    And then there was this American judge who believed everything he was told and shown, including the shrunken head...
    Nobody was ever gassed in Buchenwald! The naive American judge didn't know that either!!
    https://www.connecticutmag.com/the-... as,years to life in jail and acquitted three.

    The same judge also voiced his observations about the German defendants, from Rudolf Hess being "completely balmy" to Hermann Goering labeled “impish”and “gray and crest-fallen.”
    What did judge Dodd expect after they had all been crushed in the groin and tortured in different ways? How naive was the man??

    About Goering, I know that he had the gall still to write an accusing letter to Churchill.
    An excerpt:
    "...since 1914, you have steadfastly and stubbornly envisaged and striven for no other goal than the destruction of the German Reich."
    [​IMG] ............ [​IMG]

    A copy of it you find here:
    https://williscarto.org/articles-1/f/goerings-last-letter-to-churchill

    in German:
    https://archive.org/details/HistorischesArchiv2073GringsBriefAnChurchill
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