Evil Killing by the U.S. Relies on Willful Indifference

Do my fellow Americans even care about the scores of innocent people that are routinely maimed and killed by the US empire?

I don't think they do. Not in the slightest. Either they ignore it, attempt to rationalize it, or actively defend it. They are that misguided and lost.

And I've often wondered how people calling themselves "Christian" could have come to support such a brutal and violent system of imperialism. Certainly Jesus would never approve of the US empire.

I'm more and more convinced that the US is just the modern version of the Roman empire, only far less honest. At least the Romans did not pretend to be anything other than bloody conquerors and plunderers.

So why are Americans so callously indifferent to the immense suffering inflicted on innocent people by the US empire? And how do Americans reconcile their own self-indulgent propaganda about being the good guys with the wholesale and wanton destruction of entire civilizations?

Will you even attempt an answer? Or will you just ignore this thread the same way you ignore the millions of innocent people killed by the US empire?

 

I wasn't born when this happened and we defeated Japan, didn't conquer them, Even the Japanese people I know seem to have long since gotten over this and visit here regularly as tourists, what is the reasoning behind your anger today?

Sorry, plug me in for "indifference" Japan surrendered and we have all moved on from the tragedy's surrounding WWII.

 

The slaughter of innocent people by the US empire didn't end with the heinous bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Korean war, the Vietnam war, and the Iraq war all managed to kill or injure millions of innocent people. To this day, the US empire is complicit in the mass death of innocents all over the world. And I'm sure you are as indifferent to that as you are to the mass killing of innocent Japanese civilians during WWII.

 

Let me ask you about the atomic bombings, what would you prefer the U.S. have done in WWII? The alternative was to hold a land invasion and that would've been too costly.

 

How do you know the people killed are "innocent"?

 

Putting aside the question of whether or not the US should have entered the war in the first place, here is a good article explaining why those bombings were not necessary.

 

Women and children usually are. Innocent, that is.

And unless you can produce proof beyond a reasonable doubt of someone's guilt, then the presumption is that they are innocent. Or have you forgotten that basic principle of justice?

 

I am no indifferent to the fact innocent people were held hostage by the Empire of Japan....both it's citizens and the horrible treatment it's military displayed with POWs, and citizens of the nations it invaded....including the USA.

With that said, I am fine with the use of the bomb then. I don't think anyone was fully aware of the affects of it at the time, but also would have rather used it to end the war, then watch more Americans be killed contineud to fight through the islands

 

Nothing but a lot of nonsense.

Had it not been for the 'bombs' there's a good chance you wouldn't be here today. As hundreds of thousands of Americans would have died had we landed troops on Japanese soil there's a good chance your grandfather would have been killed before your mother or father was born. Japan had leaders like the one we have in the Oval Office today. All the citizens of Japan, including children, were brainwashed into fighting to the death because the last thing they wanted was to be captured by an American as we were so evil and cruel they would die a horrible death.

 

We had just finished the invasion of Okinawa. It cost us 12,000 lives and the Japanese 100,000 lives. Anyone that thought the Japanese were beat is full of it. It was among the bloodiest campaigns in the war and just three months before the bombs were dropped. The Japanese were not defeated until the Emperor said they were defeated and he was not ready to call it quits until after those bombs were dropped. There were Japanese soldiers on some of the islands decades later that could still not believe they had been defeated.

I had a brother, a brother in law and a uncle and my wife had two uncles who were about to be sent to Japan until their orders were cancelled because of those bombs.

The bombs were terrible, but I have little dbout that they saved lives in the long run.

 

Nah, I'm gonna have to disagree, bombing it was cruel but it ultimately ended the most costly conflict in human history.

 

So your response to innocent people being held hostage by their government is to bomb the hostages? How quixotic of you.

Are you aware that there is no real proof that the atomic bombings ended the war?

 

So you ignore the evidence I presented and stick with comfortable mythology. Not surprising.

 

So murdering women and children is okay because American soldiers might die? That's pretty cowardly.

At any rate, the idea that the atomic bombs caused the Japanese to surrender is nothing more than a myth meant to sooth our ragged conscience.

 

"...the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender.… in being the first to use it, we…adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children."
--William Leahy, Chief of Staff for President Truman

"...the Japanese position was hopeless even before the first atomic bomb fell, because the Japanese had lost control of their own air."
--General Henry Arnold

"...the atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military standpoint, in the defeat of Japan…"
--Admiral Chester Nimitz

"...the first atomic bomb was an unnecessary experiment…. It was a mistake to ever drop it…. [the scientists] had this toy and they wanted to try it out, so they dropped it…"
--Admiral William Hasley Jr.

"...Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary..."
--General Dwight D. Eisenhower

"...the atomic bomb had nothing to do with the end of the war at all."
--Major General Curtis Lemay

 

By the way, this thread isn't just about the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The US empire has killed plenty of innocent civilians in other wars since then. And Americans don't care about that either. Here's a good example of what I mean.



This is pure evil. There is no other way to describe it. And Americans are either indifferent to it or actively supportive of it.

 

Hindsight is a wonderful thing even for those in power at the time. At the time the bombs were dropped, their sentiments were completely different. We knew very little about the will of the Japanese at the time the bombs were dropped in 1945.

 

I raise you this:

 

If the atomic bombs aren't the reason Japan surrendered, and they would have surrendered anyhow, explain why it took two bombs.

 

Whatever helps you sleep at night, I guess.

But the truth is, US leadership knew full well that the atomic bombings were not militarily necessary. They just wanted to test their new weapon out in a real world scenario. And they wanted to demonstrate the awesome power of that weapon to the Soviets and the Chinese. So they mass murdered hundreds of thousands of people and then created a mythology to justify their actions.

 

Just one more little note. They attacked us. War is a terrible thing, but when you are attacked, you respond with everything you can. You don't truly know the enemies capability and will to fight. So you continue fighting with everything you have until you are absolutely sure they are defeated. That same philosophy also applies to self defense.

 

I sleep fine. Especially with the knowledge that my brother, brother in law and my and my wife's uncles did not have to further risk their lives in an invasion of Japan.

 

That doesn't prove that the Japanese surrendered because of the atomic bombings.

 

Oh, I'm sure you sleep very well. Comforting mythologies exist for that very reason.

 

The Japanese surrendered because the Soviet Army was about to invade Japan, not because two militarily irrelevant cities had been destroyed.