Excess Deaths

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes Clennan, some of us are more perceptive than others, it's true.

    Some of us are more credulous than others, routinely buying into the stories told by those with strong reputations for mendacity.

    Life goes on sir.
     
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    He (poster preceeding) thinks that if he posts enough nonsense it will obscure the fact that this entire thread was entirely debunked.
     
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    clennan Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ^ This is just what you tell yourself - self-serving figments of your imagination.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Observations of human behavior over decades.
     
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    clennan Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your observations through your eyes resulting in your opinion = conspiracy theory.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Have it your way sir, whatever blows your skirt.
     
  7. Death

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    YES. I agreed with your comment then switched the reference to Trump positions about Covid rates in regards to deaths. Your actual initial statement is accurate of course. Cause of death from the virus or other pre-existing conditions or a combo of both is highly complex and it could be people that died did not necessarily die from Covid 19 but if they did get it, had Covid 19 attributed as its death. How the cause of death is reported for accuracy depends on pathology reports. Pathology reports as you know are not always done with Covid 19 related deaths and as more are done, in fact pathology exams understanding how Covid 19 impacts on pre-existing conditions to cause or contribute to death will be part of the knowledge base used to get a handle on the damn virus to find effective ways to manage it and its exasperation of existing preconditions.

    Pathologists are part of the team that will help create medical approaches to identify and try contain negative side effects of Covid 19 to the vulnerable just as they played a valuable role in coming up for example with the complex cocktail of medicines given to people with AIDS today-no cure but a range of medicines that help people live longer and cope with no immunities.

    Covid 19 medications will be part of approaches that hopefully can be used to treat cancer, people with other immunity issues. Its tragic but out of it comes knew knowledge for many illness treatments.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Death

    Is it accurate to say we "have a handle on" cancer or other such diseases? The experts declared that "we had a handle on", that "we have eliminated measles" by way of vaccination only to have it return from its grave.

    The government can spend money and destroy the world with war making, but it's not very good at many other things.

    The virus will run its course, as it is doing, herd immunity of some sort will develop, Biden will win the election and the media will end the crisis. :angel:
     
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    This ain't cancer and this thread has been exposed for the bogus garbage it is
     
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    Funny the increase in deaths should coincide with an election year during which a Democrat temper tantrum has resulted in a spike in homicides. Part of the spike in deaths WITH Covid seems to coincide with a seasonal spike in motorcycle accident deaths which don't pay hospitals as well as deaths WITH Covid. Parts of the spikes also coincide with deaths FROM the Biden Obama Swine flu which has been returning since they introduced it in 2009 - 2010.
     
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    So to summariz according to you:

    1-Democrats because of expressing disagreement with Trump over his policies because of those expressions are mass murderers
    2-Covid 19 hospitalization rates are false and created by hospitals because hospitals get paid more money clogghing their hospitals with Covid 19 patients so that people in motor cycle accidents who do not pay them as much money can't get to the hospital-further to this conclusion, a seriously injured motor cycle accident victim does not pay a hospital as much as a Covid 19 patient does
    3-Covid 19 reported cases are in fact Swine Flu
    4-Biden and Obama created he Wine Flu.

    Interestingly with all 4 contentions you provide no proof.

    So let me summarize what I think of your opinions:
    IDIOCY.

    Have a nice day.
     
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    In 2020, approximately 3,358,814 deaths occurred in the United States. From 2019 to 2020, the estimated age-adjusted death rate increased by 15.9%, from 715.2 to 828.7 deaths per 100,000 population.

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70...m 2019 to 2020, the,(91.5 deaths per 100,000).

    In addition, California, Arizona, Michigan, and North Dakota's Department of Healh and Human Services have published their 2020 Provisional Death Counts, and all show huge excesses.



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    According to the CDC....In 2020, approximately 3,358,814 deaths occurred in the United States (Table). The age-adjusted rate was 828.7 deaths per 100,000 population, an increase of 15.9% from 715.2 in 2019. The highest overall numbers of deaths occurred during the weeks ending April 11, 2020, (78,917) and December 26, 2020 (80,656) (Figure 1). Death rates were lowest among persons aged 5–14 years (13.6) and highest among persons aged ≥85 years (15,007.4); age-adjusted death rates were higher among males (990.5) than among females (689.2).

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70...m 2019 to 2020, the,(91.5 deaths per 100,000).
     
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    From the CDC link;

    Approximately 3 out of every 4 of those EXCESS deaths have been attributed either directly or indirectly to the virus.

    Given that we know that there are states like FL and GA that disingenuously SUPPRESSED their reporting of Covid deaths for NEFARIOUS partisan political purposes the remaining 25% probably includes UNREPORTED direct and indirect Covid deaths. How much suppression was carried out remains to be determined but I have little doubt that the numbers will eventually be revealed.
     
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