Exploding Knife Violence on the streets of London

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by kazenatsu, Apr 15, 2018.

  1. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    That you have to resort to childishness is understandable. Its actually an improvement on how you supported an untenable position, easily destroyed through direct reference to the CPS.

    Congrats!
     
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    No, Churlish, you should know better.
     
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    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    Shame you couldn't manage two improvements in a row. That would be an upward trend no less!
     
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    Guess what, in the time it took that you posted your last study,

    Cornell & DeDino:
    2004,
    A Well-Regulated Right:
    The Early American Origins of Gun Control,
    73 Fordham Law Review

    I completely analyzed it and wrote two poems unrelated and had a spot of Tea,

    I think that answers well for Me.
     
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    What is "effective self defense"?
     
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    That is a very good question that begs an answer.
     
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    That would be splendid! To actually get you to read some of the research, plus teach yourself some history, would be dandy.
     
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    Damned shame, no Scones or Crumpets worth a Scotch Farthing here.

    Earl Grey, tea ball, sigh....
     
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    Duplicate post.
     
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    We could see this as a two stager. First stage, try and replicate vocabulary. Second stage, adopt literature review methods and eliminate reliance on dogma.
     
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    Methinks perhaps being Polite and nice may trump everything else for a teensy bit.
    Yes ?
     
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    Still waiting for you to explain to me what "effective self defense" is.

    Not interested in pursuing that line of reasoning?
     
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    Those questions are too direct and rarely answered if ever, a null as it were.
    And far too relevant to ever discuss.
     
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    Effectiveness? Bit obvious really: one that stops- or reduces the severity of- a crime.
     
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    Great.

    So how does one engage in "effective self defense" against 2 or 3 attackers armed with knives.

    How does a small woman engage in "effective self defense" against a large attacker with her rape whistle?

    How do old people engage in "effective self defense" against a young attacker?
     
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    The problem you have is twofold. First, effective self defence continues to exist and be supported by the law. Second, given the evidence that more guns equals more crime, you're less likely (ceteris paribus) to require self defence.
     
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    Except that more guns don't equal more crime.

    The only thing that equals more crime is having more criminals, you know, like London.

    Secondly, a rape whistle is not effective self defense, so no, legally you do not have effective self defense.

    What you have is limited self defense in narrow guidelines.
     
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    So finite that even an incredibly fit young man is no match for a stronger adversary.

    I was horrified just recently to learn of another tragic Rape of a close unarmed freind, just too sad.
    Too horrible for words due to his very young age.
     
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    The evidence shows otherwise.

    Crime is falling. There are some localised effects. As I've already remarked, that reflects reductions in police numbers.

    Self defence typically refers to force. You're misrepresenting. However, I'm happy for you to support your argument. Can you refer to any evidence that sexual attacks fall due to gun prevalence?

    Clearly not as self defence includes cases of killing the criminal. You haven't really got an argument.
     
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    No, it doesn't.

    No, your crime is not falling. It is double digit increasing.

    You're not allowed to use force beyond what you can do with your hands and a rape whistle. While this may be effective for a martial artist, it is not effective defense for the small, the infirm, or those facing multiple armed attackers. Your rape whistle and dye does not give you the means to effectively resist any attack on your person. Your laws do not allow it either.

    Yes. In some cases a good fighter can defend themselves in the UK. In most cases they're just going to bleed out from stab wounds.

    You don't have the right to defend yourselves in the UK in an effective manner.
     
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    Even a very fit young guy like my freind had zero chance unarmed, he was very strong, athletic well muscled, yet he was still Raped sadly enough.
     
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    Wrong. The CSEW shows downward trends.

    You continue to make ridiculous comments. Self defence typically ranges from physical violence to the use of firearms.

    The CPS would show otherwise, but reality doesn't seem high on your agenda
     
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    Sure. And every other metric than your crime poll shows increasing crime. Not to mention all those murdered people you have to try and ignore.

    Self defense in the UK is limited to a rape whistle, dye, and any object that is nearby but was not purchased for the intentional purpose of self defense.

    If you buy a knife for self defense and kill an attacker with it, you have broken the law.

    So yes, if you can stop an attacker with your rape whistle, your dye, or a random object bought for other purposes then you probably have a case for self defense.

    Otherwise, you're a criminal for defending yourself.

    Not what I'd call self-defense, but then I'm not a subject of a Kingdom that cheers the birth of a "royal" baby, and pulls the plug on another by preventing the family taking the child to Italy at behest of the Pope.
     
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    Sad but true.
    Ghastly.
     
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    Do people really really want to be
    Truly defensless ?

    Do they really want to be like this,



    Unarmed, how dreadful
     
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