Explosive testimony today's hearing

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  1. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    ?????We dont know that. All those who dispute her stories have testified to the committee under oath. The committee has just chosen not to televise that testimony.
     
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    Takes it up for what? Some kind of theory that "lunging towards his clavicle" as some kind of assault?
     
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    She recounted a conversation that she had. That's first hand testimony, not hearsay. It is indeed allowable as evidence.

    You should look up these legal terms before you try to use them.
     
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    Nope. They are not offering her testimony to prove that someone told her Trump "lunged at his clavicle". They are offering the testimony to prove that Trump in fact "lunged at his clavicle"

    "The “truth of the matter asserted” requirement means that a statement is only hearsay if the truth of the statement and the credibility of the declarant are important. If the statement has no truth value or if truth value is irrelevant, then the statement is not hearsay."
     
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    This is an inquiry not a trial. If Trump wants a trial he should demand to be indicted and tried for sedition, then he will be entitled to full due process.

    I wonder why he hasn't done that.
     
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    Hutchinson testified under oath. Anyone gainsaying her testimony should be held to the same standard.
     
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    Another fake witness. Some folks will lie to get their 15 minutes of fame.
     
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    Thus my statement

     
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    Everyone that was in the car with Trump has testified under oath to the Committee. They just havent televised that part. Likely because their testimony didnt fit the narrative they are trying to craft in their made for TV drama.
     
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    We dont know what was in his sworn testimony. They havent shared that part with the public.
     
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    Trump should sue for defamation. I doubt he will though. Kindness and benign forbearance always have been his main weaknesses.
     
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    It's amazing, the national spin and troll army of the GOP fascists and the foreign enemies of America exploiting it.
     
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    Cant sue for what someone else is alleged to have said about Trump and she repeated. Could sue the guy that she alleged told her the story, but he would probably testify he never said any such thing.
    Watched some more of her testimony last night. Most every important statement about what others had said included "said something to the effect of". Seems like she has been coached as to how to avoid perjury charges for those statements.
     
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    The character assassinations are coming from the 3 guys actually in the car with Trump when the events were alleged to have happened.
    And Fox NEWS is following the rests proclaiming this explosive hearsay testimony could be Trumps doom, knowing that such testimony wouldnt even be allowed in a court. Night time opinion guys are the ones pointing to all the inconsistencies.
     
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    And yet that's exactly what happened. She gave a first hand account of a conversation she had without asserting any personal knowledge of the actions described to her.
     
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    and if her allegations can't be corroborated, she has done nothing, but further diminish the waste of time J6 committee. Doesn't mean that she lied, but it is the same end result

    Trump is guilty of a lot of crap, but the dems, after 6 years, just don't get how jumping at every allegation continues to set them up for failure

    Ultimately her testimony will have zero impact
     
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    Many of the things she testified to corroborated or built on previous testimony. The fact that you guys are focused on this one thing is obviously an attempt to deflect. That said, let's just see if those guy will really come out and testify under oath, 'cause until then it's meaningless.
     
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    "His team" is sitting this out; you should ask McCarthy why.
     
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    People who were there should contact Chairman Thompson.
     
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    nah... I'll let him speak for himself...

    https://www.republicanleader.gov/mccarthy-statement-on-select-committee-on-january-6/

    Washington, D.C. – House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy (CA-23) released the following statement on the Select Committee on January 6th:

    “Speaker Pelosi’s rejection of the Republican nominees to serve on the committee and self-appointment of members who share her pre-conceived narrative will not yield a serious investigation.

    “The Speaker has structured this select committee to satisfy her political objectives. She had months to work with Republicans on a reasonable and fair approach to get answers on the events and security failures surrounding January 6.

    “Instead, she has played politics. Lost in much of the news coverage is the fact that the Senate has already conducted bipartisan investigations that should serve as a roadmap for the House.

    “Speaker Pelosi’s departure from this serious-minded approach has destroyed the select committee’s credibility. The U.S. Capitol and the men and women who protect it suffered a massive leadership failure. We must make sure that never happens again and that is what Republicans will be focused on.”
     
  22. Patricio Da Silva

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    There is no evidence she is lying. Also, getting a fact wrong doesn't equal lying. Anyone can get a fact wrong. All that is required in a hearing is that one testifies to the truth to the best of one's ability, and on that point, she is credible.

    If there are any countering testimony, they are welcome to come forward.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Well, the fake ballots in your imagination can **** up your view of reality, this we know.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    We do not have Engel's and Ornato's confirmation on that point, let alone their testimony told under oath, to that point. Your article alleging it says 'sources close to...".
    There is no curating for relevant testimony. Everyone in the WH has an open invitation to appear before the committee.
    It was established later that it was a Suburban. That fact makes her testimony plausible. But it was Ornato that told her was the beast. But getting such a detail wrong doesn't equal 'lying'.
     
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    Those that weren't going through the mags had weapons, that means people with weapons were there, (thought not allowed to pass into the immediate ellipse area) and since there was some trouble filling up the arena, noting that Trump is always concerned about crowd size, Trump wanted the mags taken down, to let everyone it on order to fill up the arena. He declared 'they won't hurt me'. So, he didn't care that they had weapons because he knew that they wouldn't hurt him. Well, that begs the question, how did he know they wouldn't hurt him? Was he conspiring with them?
     

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