Extremist-related killings in 2018 'overwhelmingly linked to right-wing' movements: ADL

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  1. The_Architect

    The_Architect Newly Registered

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    Again, I'm basing it on actual history and am providing sources despite the fact that you're not since no reputable sources will indicate that Nazis were left-wing. In fact, Germany itself acknowledged that the Nazis were and are right-wing and I think you'd agree that the German government knows its own history better than we do:

    This month, Germany’s embassy in Brazil was forced to remind people that Nazis were indeed right-wing — and not left-wing, as some Brazilian commentators have claimed.
    https://nationalpost.com/news/world...ere-right-wing-or-left-wing-are-up-for-debate


    "This is introduced as evidence by those wishing to obfuscate that he was rejecting his former socialist philosophy in favor of capitalism."

    Hitler crushed the Nazi Party’s left, or socialist-oriented, wing in 1934, executing Ernst Röhm and other rebellious SA leaders on what would become known as the “Night of the Long Knives.”
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Nazi-Party

    "As for sending socialist to concentration camps that's also a half truth. He sent Bolshevicks to camps and those professing socialism related to Bolsheviks instead of nationalism based socialist which is what Hitler embraced."

    I've already demonstrated numerous times that Hitler disavowed socialism in the left-wing context, but here's more info for you:
    Among the earliest victims of discrimination and persecution in Nazi Germany were political opponents—primarily Communists, Socialists, Social Democrats, and trade union leaders.
    https://nationalpost.com/news/world...ere-right-wing-or-left-wing-are-up-for-debate


    There was no notable separation of Bolsheviks from Socialists in the context of Holocaust. Bolsheviks were included in the rounded-up Socialists but were not the only targeted Socialist group/ideology.

    Here are numerous other sources outlining the fact that Nazism was not ultimately a left-wing movement:

    https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

    Here is a question for you, if you wish to ignore everything I wrote. Between left-wing parties and right-wing parties in modern times, who do Nazis/white nationalists tend to support? Let us not forget that Trump supporters were chanting Nazi slogans (Blood and Soil, the Jews Will not Replace Us), carrying Nazi/fascist flags and symbols, and extending the Nazi arm salute while proclaiming "Hail Trump" and "Hail Victory" (Sieg Heil).
    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-u...-nationalists-mark-trump-win-with-nazi-salute

    In France, the far-right political party, the National Front, was co-founded by former Nazi collaborators who denied the severity of the Holocaust.
    Marine Le Pen rose to fame as the leader of the far-right National Front party, which she inherited from her father, Jean-Marie Le Pen [...] Jean-Marie Le Pen co-founded the National Front in 1972, accepting one-time Nazi collaborators into its ranks. In 2012, he was convicted of contesting crimes against humanity for saying that Nazi occupation of France was "not particularly inhumane." And in 2015, he called Nazi gas chambers "a detail of history."
    https://www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/episo...ed-by-nazi-collaborators-mainstream-1.4099073


    How about Germany again?
    National Democratic Party of Germany (NPD), German Nationaldemokratische Partei Deutschlands, right-wing German nationalist party that called for German unification during the Cold War and advocated law and order as well as an end to German “guilt” for World War II. The party’s founders included many former supporters of the Nazis.
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/National-Democratic-Party-of-Germany

    Another source:

    Representatives from all 16 of Germany’s states have voted to cut state funding for the country’s longest-established neo-Nazi group.

    The states – represented in Germany’s upper house of parliament, the Bundesrat – asked Germany’s highest court to ban funding for the far-right National Democratic Party (NPD).
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...l-national-democratic-party-afd-a8191611.html


    Based on available evidence (both presented by me and in easily-accessible places online), would you agree that the German National Democratic Party falls on the other side of the political spectrum as the American Democratic Party?

    Also, it's time for you to provide sources to back up your claims.
     
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  2. Josephwalker

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    Yet if you read all the Nazi policy as Hitler was coming into power it was socialism pure and simple which brings us back to my original and main point in this thread that socialism morphs into fascism. Thanks for proving my point.

    And I sourcred these policies multiple times in previous post.

    By the way current socialist denying Nazi Germany was socialist is not surprising.
     
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    Any form of extremism is dangerous
     
  4. The_Architect

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    Your original point was that Nazis were left-wing, including during the time in which they were in power. I demonstrated otherwise and now you're trying to move the goalposts.

    Now, if you truly believe that socialism morphs into fascism and that the Nazi brand of fascism retained some semblance of its supposed left-wing roots, then revisit the latter part of my post:

    Between left-wing parties and right-wing parties in modern times, who do Nazis/white nationalists tend to support? Let us not forget that Trump supporters were chanting Nazi slogans (Blood and Soil, the Jews Will not Replace Us), carrying Nazi/fascist flags and symbols, and extending the Nazi arm salute while proclaiming "Hail Trump" and "Hail Victory" (Sieg Heil).
    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-u...-nationalists-mark-trump-win-with-nazi-salute

    In France, the far-right political party, the National Front, was co-founded by former Nazi collaborators who denied the severity of the Holocaust.
    Marine Le Pen rose to fame as the leader of the far-right National Front party, which she inherited from her father, Jean-Marie Le Pen [...] Jean-Marie Le Pen co-founded the National Front in 1972, accepting one-time Nazi collaborators into its ranks. In 2012, he was convicted of contesting crimes against humanity for saying that Nazi occupation of France was "not particularly inhumane." And in 2015, he called Nazi gas chambers "a detail of history."
    https://www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/episo...ed-by-nazi-collaborators-mainstream-1.4099073


    How about Germany again?
    National Democratic Party of Germany (NPD), German Nationaldemokratische Partei Deutschlands, right-wing German nationalist party that called for German unification during the Cold War and advocated law and order as well as an end to German “guilt” for World War II. The party’s founders included many former supporters of the Nazis.
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/National-Democratic-Party-of-Germany

    Another source:

    Representatives from all 16 of Germany’s states have voted to cut state funding for the country’s longest-established neo-Nazi group.

    The states – represented in Germany’s upper house of parliament, the Bundesrat – asked Germany’s highest court to ban funding for the far-rightNational Democratic Party (NPD).
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...l-national-democratic-party-afd-a8191611.html
     
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  5. Josephwalker

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    My point long ago was socialism morphs into fascism and indeed it does. And again your list of socialist vehemently denying Nazi Germany was socialist doesn't impress me.
    I'm sorry but to deny the Nazis were socialist is to deny reality

    ""Not only political democracy, but also economic organization along liberal capitalist lines has been virtually destroyed throughout Europe, at least for the present. Where the Nazi totalitarian economy has not been imposed, it is being imitated. Rumania was reorganized by the Iron Guard in September to conform to the National Socialist program, and Yugoslavia to all intents and purposes gave up its economic independence in October."

    "When Germany entered the war, her economic life was intrinsically free, built on liberal, capitalistic principles, although much more interspersed with governmental regulations than in the Western countries. When the war ended, she had a thoroughly militarized economy, which, half in earnest, half ironically, was dubbed “War Socialism.”

    "The Weimar Constitution, adopted by the new German Republic immediately after the war, was fashioned chiefly by the Social Democrats, and while it was essentially a “liberal” document, its provisions for government domination of the central bank, for centralized taxation and for land reform contained sufficient authority for many radical innovations."


    "When it came to its end, the democratic Republic left as a heritage to the National Socialist state an economic system that corresponded rather closely to a complete system of “State Socialism.” The state was, so to speak, in command of the whole blood circulation as represented in a modern economic system by the banking mechanism. The state held in its grip the most important “commanding heights” over business, such as the transportation system, the power supply, and the influence over cartel prices. The state had, furthermore, taken over vital functions of the trade unions and the employers' organizations. …

    The road to the totalitarian state had teen well laid out. The National Socialist government needed but to utilize for its own aims the instruments of state power forged by its predecessors."

    "One phase of the Nazi economic program which fitted especially well with the National Socialist political philosophy was the regimentation of agriculture. Hitler had always maintained that a vigorous, sturdy peasant class was the backbone of national power, and soon after he came to office, he set out to make sure that Germany should have one. (The Nazis have not, however, made much more rapid progress toward fulfilling their promise to break up the large estates than the Social Democrats did under the Weimar Republic.)



    This observation is confirmed by Fritz Ermarth, who writes, “When the National Socialists seized power in Germany early in 1938, the German national economy was under Government control to a wider extent than ever before during peacetime.”4 In addition to the railroads, telegraph and telephone lines, which had long been state-owned, the Reich had invested government funds directly in the German steel cartel, in a moving picture company, in numerous construction enterprises, and in other “private” businesses."

    "To carry out the economic and technical functions of the guild, all of German agriculture is organized into central associations covering each type of production, such as dairying, cattle-raising, fruit-growing, etc. The Reich commissioner for each of these associations, who is appointed by the secretary of agriculture, determines not only prices and production quotas for both farmers and distributors, but also such details as the percentage of milk to be used in chocolate or ice cream. Ordinarily, the peasant is not allowed to sell anything direct to the consumer."

    "Given the tendencies prevailing in Nazi Germany, a huge capital confiscation seems inevitable, and with it another step towards collectivism.”

    https://library.cqpress.com/cqresearcher/document.php?id=cqresrre1940110100
     
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    /facedesk
    It far right wing, because they are fanatically against trade unions.
     
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    Its a good thing the Nazis didn't call it The Nationalist Wizard Party because then we would be wasting time trying to tell these people that wizards don't exist even if Hitler said he was one... they still don't exist. The main thing that was wrong with the Nazis and the reason for all those dead bodies was because they were socially conservative.
     
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    Took 5 weeks for my boss to get his hip replaced after being diagnosed, and that's in Montreal where there is a shortage of operating rooms. Could've have it sooner but he wanted to transfer work before going on paid medical leave.
     
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    The AIPAC influence in DC is so substantial that to invoke some pity at SOTU, a survivor from the temple shooting in Pittsburgh last year was invited.

    Goodness, the crying "anti-Semite" is part of our national landscape. Ignore the barbarians treating the Palestinians like cattle, but never ever forget the holocaust.
     
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    For perspective, compare that number (50) to the worst weekend for shootings in Chicago in 2018. The number for that is 72. That is one weekend in one city compared to the entire country for an entire year.
     
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    Lucky him!

    "Data show that for hip replacements, British Columbia has the second longest wait times in Canada with a median value of 70 weeks. But that is a median value, which means about half of all patients wait longer. That is twice the wait time in Ontario, which is actually the third best province in Canada, according to Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI) statistics."

    https://healthydebate.ca/opinions/wait-times-hip-replacement-surgery
     

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