F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

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  1. Reasonablerob

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    So what? Again, where is Trump in all this? Or any direct collusion to help him win the presidency?
    Stop hoping for miracles, if you're going to beat Trump you must recapture the centre, vilifying the silent majority's choice will only alienate them further.
     
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    The KGB is well known for all the dirty tricks and undermining it's citizens. I don't believe they try and uphold themselves as shining examples of protecting the people from corruption inside their own organization. We have a Constitution that upholds the exposer and prosecution of corrupt agency's. The judicial branch is not all powerful and when they undermine other branches of our government they need to be exposed. Your comments remind me of the old days when the CIA, NSA and FBI acted like they don't need to explain their actions because the public wasn't smart enough to understand or capable to comprehend their actions. This is the information age and the old days of filtered news and deception are becoming rarer. The shackles of false news are being discarded.
     
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    Not so much. Only some are paying for it.
     
  4. Injeun

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    So they don't want to control the President. They want to turn us against ourselves you say? Okay. The right isn't accusing the left. The left is accusing the right and driving the division. If the left stops, the problem is solved. In the meantime Trump is a successful President in every regard, unless ones reality is defined by the 24/7 anti Trump rhetoric flowing from CNN and MSNBC.
     
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    Miracles? I've zero expectations of miracles and I am very much the political center. America does best when it charts its path between the two big and highly dysfunctional political parties, not by making love to one of them while hating the other.

    Silent Majority? I get along great with the Silent Majority. Mainly on topics like Second Amendment Rights and Border Security. Two more topicsTrump is utterly failing on.

    Besides, Trump lost the popular vote by millions. So the silent majority wasn't so silent, more like Trump got lucky with the Electoral College. I was delighted that Clinton lost, but horrified that Trump won. Why couldn't they both have lost and we get a Do-Over? Why isn't that the 28th Amendment? Doesn't seem like so much to ask for.

    Back to the topic at hand ...

    Why in the hell are you so deadset on "collusion"? Has never been my main concern and I'll remind you that this did not begin with that, the FBI investigation goes back to 2014 and began with Manafort's shady dealings. Various Russian mobsters and agents came into view along the way and well before Trump was anything more than an odd footnote, a name that kept popping up. The investigation began and never lost focus that it is about all things Russia vs. USA Elections. Trump generated added suspicions and heightened his own profile in this thing by his big stupid mouth and strange, Russia/Putin embracing behaviors. That so many of his people have had ties to Russians in the form of enemy agents, mobsters and oligarchs creates a cloud of suspicion that demands follow-thru. That follow-thru has seen convictions, Trump people found guilty of crimes.

    So the FBI is doing its sworn duty on the Russia investigation. That duty has already shown a great deal of success with convictions, plea deals, criminals turning into snitches and indictments. Several dozen of them. How is all that success ignored because the false cause of this being solely about Trump is not yet a complete story? It is Trump that has created that fake news, the fake news that it is only about himself. The twit is the biggest source of Fake News we have, with the possible exception of Russia Today.
     
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  6. LangleyMan

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    If you guys would stop whining about Mueller and let him finish his probe, we could move on to other matters. Here's how it goes--you keep bringing up Mueller and then you say there's hysteria about the Mueller investigation. So, who is being hysterical?
     
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    The danger is not Trump. The danger is the Russiers.
     
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    Dave, FBI collusion with the Russian secret police/spy agencies is a matter of public record. It is not a secret.

    "Like Fusion GPS, the FBI has failed to cooperate with congressional investigators seeking documents.
    Steele contracted with Fusion GPS to investigate Trump’s ties to Russia starting in June 2016, whereupon he outlandishly claimed that Hillary campaign hackers were “paid by both Trump’s team and the Kremlin” and that the operation was run out of Putin’s office. He also fed Fusion GPS and its Hillary-allied clients incredulous gossip about Trump hating the Obamas so much that he hired hookers to urinate on a bed they slept in at the Moscow Ritz-Carlton, and that Russian intelligence recorded the pee party in case they needed to blackmail Trump."
    NYP, Sketchy firm behind Trump dossier is stalling investigators, By Paul Sperry, June 24, 2017. http://nypost.com/2017/06/24/inside-the-shadowy-intelligence-firm-behind-the-trump-dossier/
     
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    Complete nonsense. Dangerous nonsense.
     
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    That's the takeaway.
     
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    Their song...

     
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    Does @Hoosier8 know something about Pence we should be worried about if Lardo implodes? :no:
     
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    LangleyMan thinks the MSM = FAKE NEWS? Surely not! ;-)

    “Marc E. Elias, a lawyer representing the Clinton campaign and the DNC, retained Fusion GPS, a Washington firm, to conduct the research.
    After that, Fusion GPS hired dossier author Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence officer with ties to the FBI and the U.S. intelligence community, according to those people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.
    Elias and his law firm, Perkins Coie, retained the company in April 2016 on behalf of the Clinton campaign and the DNC.”
    THE WASHINGTON POST, Clinton campaign, DNC paid for research that led to Russia dossier, By Adam Entous, Devlin Barrett and Rosalind S. Helderman October 24, 2017. https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...3470754bbb9_story.html?utm_term=.76b7202aafb3
     
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    What I said is that there is a lot more behind initiating the Mueller investigation that the dossier.
     
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    The thinking Left used to know that how secret police/spy agencies can subvert the democratic process.

    "FBI reports on Ralph Abernathy, Coretta King, Seymour Hersh, Sammy Davis, Jr., Cesar Chavez, and others we're transmitted in thousands of dispatches sent to the Justice Department and fed into IDIU computers for storage and analysis. The FBI and the Justice Department provided information to the IRS for its "enemies project." The FBI sent its information to the CIA, the Secret Service, and Military Intelligence. They in turn, sent information to the bureau. By 1972, the intelligence agencies of the government, with the FBI at the center, had placed the political left and a large part of the Democratic party under surveillance." The Lawless State, The Crimes of the U.S. Intelligence Agencies, Morton H. Halperin, Jerry J. Bermin, Robert L. Borosage, and Christine M. Marwick, Penguin Books, NY, 1977. p. 124.
     
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    Like what?
     
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    It’s ongoing, but what we know from publicly available information, it doesn’t look too good for the Orange Scourge.
     
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    Google George Papadopoulos, my forgetful amigo.

    Edit: why do trumpers have to be continually reminded of the facts?
     
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    Lardo? Can you be any more sophomoric?
     
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    Yes. Check out Bonespurs’ tweets.
     
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    Ah, you are unable to be less sophomoric. Thanks for the proof.
     
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    Yes because the only person they could turn to was a Russian they'd be prosecuting other Americans for talking to.

    The left doesn't realize what a joke their standards are, do they?
     
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    That's right. Maybe you could show me an article complaining about Russia before Nov 8, 2016. That's right, you can't.

    All you can find is Clinton giving speeches, taking money, and the government doing uranium sales to Russia.

    Did Obama do anything about Russia invading Ukraine? No.

    Did Obama do anything about Russia entering the Syrian conflict? No.

    Did Obama sit there and slurp Medvedlev's ******* on open mic? Yes.

    Before Trump became POTUS, the SOP from Democrats was to bend over and grab their ankles when a Russian walked by.
     
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    That’s very hurtful. My personhood is injured.

    Have you even read Bonespurs’ tweets? He’s supposed to be the President, but doesn’t the dignity cut.
     
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    Your fractured fairytales are supposed to show “collusion”? I don’t think you know what the word means, my poorly reasoning chum.
     

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