Face Mask Tyranny is Here — Egged on by Lawless Politicians

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    “Governors’ executive orders mandating the wearing of masks, etc. have no authority. Legitimate laws need to be formulated and passed by legislatures – not by one person in the State Capitol. Government bullying like this will lead to bullying in general among the citizenry.

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    This past weekend theblaze.com reported, “A woman has gone viral after reportedly pepper-spraying a couple having a picnic in a San Diego, California, dog park — allegedly because they weren’t wearing face masks while eating their lunch.”

    The masked woman called the couple “idiots” and stuck up her middle finger at the two dining before deploying pepper spray at them and their food. She apparently felt force was necessary to keep others “safe” from the mask-less couple.”



    https://dailysurge.com/2020/08/face-mask-tyranny-is-here-egged-on-by-lawless-politicians/




    It is ridiculous the extremes that the pro mask Karen’s are going to in their efforts to coerce others into wearing masks. The same people who don’t monitor for social distancing or masks for BLM and antifa looters and rioters and those causing vandalism move heaven and earth to compel compliance from everyone else. Blue city mayors and blue state governors are the worst in this liberty and freedom issue.
     
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    I think it ridiculous that busybodies to try to force their will upon people. I wear one if I’m indoors or outside in a crowd where social distancing is impossible. Anywhere else I use the other disease prevention precautions and social distancing but make a point of not wearing one. The story above is why people decide not to wear them. Flipping the bird and pepper spraying a couple and their food for not wearing a mask while eating in a restaurant is beyond ridiculous.
     
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    That story is no different to me than the story of that shirtless dude in Florida who open palm slapped a lady and kept screaming for the restaurant to call donald trump.

    Wear a mask.
     
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    Just think how wonderful the world would be if people stopped trying to force their will on others? This incident is beyond ridiculous.
     
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    That includes governors

    Imagine how nice it would be if people were left to make the choice for themselves? As the OP correctly points out, no one governor can make a law. Checks and balances exist for this very reason. An order by the governor is the same as if I ordered everyone to eat a certain kind of pizza. In the midst of such hysteria, basic civics have been forgotten.

    And it shows at the gubernatorial level.
     
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    I actually think that world would be terrible.

    Consider the classic "tragedy of the commons" example where a dozen farmers all use the same pond. Individually, their contribution to the pollution of that pond is minimal, but collectively the pond will quickly get overly polluted and result in the death and destruction for all of the farmers. Individually, the incentive for each farmer to clean the pool is also negligible because they are effectively cleaning up the pollution of 12 farms when they only contributed 1/12th.

    Unless someone came along and "forced their will on others" by making all of the farmers contribute to clean that pond, they all die.
     
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    You'd have 49 more Florida's
     
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    In my experiences, many people do not want to think for themselves and just want a "leader" to tell them what to do. Of course, this isn't ALL people but enough. Those of us that think for ourselves and try to learn as much as possible are the minorities.

    I don't believe we'll ever be able to go back to the way things were and I'm not sure that's a bad thing. I guess only time will tell how we come to terms with the new "normal".

    That makes sense. I still don't understand why that (forcing one's will) has to be hate-filled but I see your point.
     
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    We don’t know that for sure, so let’s not use fear to manipulate thought. Governors and the media already do that.
     
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    There isn’t going to be a new normal. People are going to be apprehensive, paranoid, combative, but the best way is to go back to the way the world was in February. Drop all this virtual BS and go back to work.

    It will be a cold water treatment on people, but it will be needed.
     
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    While eating in a restaurant or picnicking in a park? Seriously? Just WTF?
    Karens.....karens everywhere.
     
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    That is part of the problem. Many employers have come to realize that they CAN function with a smaller staff and/or save on costs by having workers telecommute. Some have had to close their businesses causing loss of jobs forcing experienced workers to compete with up-and-coming graduates for fewer jobs and, more often than not, less pay. This will have a devastating impact on the economy long past when we are fully open. Admittedly, this is all new for us and people are doing the best they can to cope with it but I just don't see HOW we can ever return to the way things were pre-COVID-19. It's impacted every facet of life as we've known it.
     
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    So you're taking one incident - out of the hundreds of millions of interactions that occur each day - and pretend that
    this is what IS happening around the country?

    One can always find the extremes, but one shouldn't use that one incident as anything more than being one incident.

    As for your rights, just don't forget that your rights end where my nose begins, so if you were to cough you are are basically forcing your will on anyone standing within ten feet of you.

    Wear the mask. Not wearing one in public is exactly the same as
    a five year old having a temper tantrum in the middle of the store.
     
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    Exactly. You'll find crazies with any "persuasion" for lack of a better word.

    There was a guy who started firing a gun at a cigar store owner because he was asked to wear a mask...the guy later was in a firefight with police
     
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    Like DROWNING in cold water for tens of thousands (maybe hundreds of thousands) and it's NOT "needed"
     
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    Yes, it is. Trying to think there will be a new normal is exactly what control freaks want. The lives we lived before this whole ordeal can be resumed as easily as the snap of a fingernail. The concerts, masses and parties can resume—it won’t take years to do so. To snap people out of this, we really will need to shock them out of what life they’ve been living in. This means getting rid of the melodrama like “drowning,” normalizing the Karen’s and Kevins again, and simply reopening. Part of the therapy is reacquainting people with the outside world, which means you will have to do it even if you don’t feel safe doing so.

    You will realize you will come out just fine, you won’t die. Schools are a good example. Cases or no cases, they simply need to reopen. Continuing to cradle people simply to entertain an illusion of safety will do more harm than good in the long run.
     
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    People are social creatures, the need for social interaction is in our DNA.

    A virtual concert doesn’t cut it, the same way meeting on Zoom doesn’t cut it. Humans benefit from real time interaction that isn’t driven by technology. Yes, businesses have had to close their doors permanently, and honestly anyone who was in support of locking down should have to pay up to every business owner who had to do so. It’s only right. The restaurants, the stores that do open will be the stores that we support. Not Walmart, not Amazon, the small businesses that rise from the ashes. Bezos doesn’t need your money, they will need your money, even if you pay a bit more.

    Concerts will resume, religious masses will resume, but as I wrote in a previous post, we need to shock people back into normalcy after isolating for so long. This includes going into environments when we are not comfortable, because this illusion of safety public officials have created cannot stand, it’s not mentally or emotionally healthy as much, if not more so, than it is physically.

    I’ve said from the start, staying locked down or having mandates until we have a vaccine is not economically feasible and unfortunately, I have been proven correct.
     
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    1. I think the invention of the cell phone has changed the way socialization happens. It's more common to see someone staring at their phone than paying attention to real life around them. I have a policy of leaving a restaurant if my dinner partner is looking at his/her phone and/or texting. What's the point in staying? They aren't really "there" anyway. Maybe the invention is the reason it was relatively simple to get people to shelter in place. People were already acclimated to some social distancing anyway.

    2. I understand your point but I think you discounting the value of the telecommuting workplace. It's a sign of the times of advanced technology's rapidly changing landscape all over the world and more and more people are telecommuting. Of course, all business models are not conducive to remote work, but many are and many are jumping on board quickly to try to salvage their business and supply the products and services their customers need/want. In that sense, I think remote work will continue to grow now that some old-schoolers recognize just how feasible (and sometimes cost effective) it is.

    3. I agree completely that it's not economically feasible to keep the country locked down indefinitely. We can't afford to sit and wait for it to disappear or a vaccine while the economy collapses. However, we can't just run in blindly hoping that it will work out when we are no closer to a truly workable solution that reignites the economy/workplace while keeping safe from an invisible enemy. All we can really do is take baby steps to move in the right direction. Defeat is not an option.
     
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    My point is not difficult to decipher. By saying that I think this story is not much different than an insane dude slapping a woman and yelling "call donald trump," I am explicitly implying that I think this woman was insane as well.

    No, you do not need to wear a mask while eating your food or sitting in a park or at home or when you are directly beside people that live in your home or pretty much anywhere that is outdoor and you can maintain proper social distancing.
     
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    Many of them are no longer living and if we listen to people like you MANY more will not be
    Tell that to the ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND (and counting) people who have already died
     
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    People die all the time. That's why the CDC made the decision not to worry about cause of death for patients who happen to have COVID when they die. Just chalk it up to COVID because there's a path, circuitous though it may be, to blaming Trump.

    2.8 million people died from all causes in 2019.

    1.6 million people died from causes that dodged the COVID bullet so far this year.

    ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND (and counting) is a drop in the bucket, overstated as the number may be.

    Let's not worry about the small potatoes. COVID targets people who were almost dead anyway.
     
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    The concern with remote work is that it will promote laziness. You don’t have to get in the car, and be punctual. You could literally wake up five minutes prior to work, comb your hair and go to work. There’s no discipline in that.

    Luckily, there are treatments that work. Hydrochloroquine shows positive signs of working, I think the trials take too long, but we are getting somewhere. Where we began tearing the country apart is when we began tossing mandates everywhere, because then the very idea of personal responsibility is infringed upon. A basic principle of being American. It was a mistake, I don’t know what in gods name made people think it was a good idea, but it was the opening of Pandoras Box. It became clear this was about politics back in May when the Home Depot could be open, but that church down the street couldn’t, though it held less people. Or that a liquor store can be open, but you can’t hold a funeral. It quickly became much less about public safety and more about political control.

    Simply put, that’s what these mandates are. Political control.
     
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    How about the two million and counting that have recovered? You always mention deaths, but never speak of the recoveries l. Yes, there may or may not be complications but these people are still with us.

    My solution forces people to come back to the outside world instead of the bubble they have lived in since March. To say many more will die as a result is simply jumping to conclusions. Kids are the least likely to get it, so there really isn’t any risk in reopening schools. We have to stop looking for the worst case scenario and hide behind it l.
     
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    It makes no sense.

    Literally. If I sit in a waiting room and no one is around me, and I decide I want some fresh air, it’s going to hurt nobody to lower a mask. That’s the point where you have to tell Karen to chill.
     
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    Telecommuters actually work MORE than in-office workers.
    https://www.businessnewsdaily.com/1... of office workers reported the same struggle.

    I worked from home about 20 years ago and everyone on both sides of the family thought I was crazy. Being used to working in offices, they couldn't fathom the idea that I could sit at home on a computer and get anything accomplished. So, I know from personal experience and the personal experiences of my team that remote work is VERY PRODUCTIVE. Just as one can jump out of bed five minutes before work, many of us were checking work emails and working on projects long beyond the typical 9-5 hours.

    I am very concerned about the rush to find a vacinne. I mean, are they taking all the steps or rushing things along to get anything to the market? And, I agree that we've become complacent to a point and just accepted whatever is thrown out there because we, as a whole, are scared of the unknown. That's understandable, but it shouldn't be the foundation for how we reopen, rebuild and move forward as a nation.

    Hopefully, this leads to stronger leadership and solid plans for addressing pandemics in the future. We just cannot afford to be caught unaware again.
     
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