Fair for our veterans

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  1. Laurence123

    Laurence123 Member

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    The department of veterans affair’s should be conjoined with the department of defense for the comprehensive and sensible operation of both entities due to the lack of care seen and proven upon our veterans, also because of the enormous and iniquitous funding given to the department of defense. I believe that these persons within both entities are so similar that their care and maintenance should be more level in congruence with current needs and particularities
     
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    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hah. We don't even have enough money to keep a full MOS stock for our unit. Let alone take on the VA!
     
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    Excuse me for being ignorant but what is an "MOS stock". Not that it would be an easy undertaking but I think this idea can be worked out for the betterment of our troops active, reserve, or retired.

    You look at a guy who is driving a new tank or jet and wonder why the guy in the hospital who helped design and make way for that isn't taken care of the same. Grandpa and grandson deserve equal attention.
     
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    Sorry, but that is not what is needed.

    The problem with the VA is the culture. And the only way to fix that is pretty much to clean house and get rid of a significant number of high and middle level career employees.

    The system has become so broken and corrupt (death lists so managers get bigger bonuses) that it can not really be fixed, only wiped out and replaced. However, I would like to see the VA and DoD medical corps tied more closely together.

    And forgive me of this, if you do not even know what "MOS stock" is or means, how can you really give any kind of knowledgeable input to this? I happen to have worked in an Army CASH (modern version of the MASH), and we ourselves had problems having and keeping enough people to be operational.

    After the last 8 years of troop cuts and slashing the middle and upper echelons of leadership, our military is dangerously undermanned. And you want to expand them with an even bigger role?

    That is like New York not having enough cops, so to try and make things better they are going to start to patrol New Jersey as well to make things better.
     
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    Essentially, the funds are gutted and we had to cut people's jobs from the military. Layoffs, pretty much.
     
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    I always found it funny about that.

    Announce that you are going to cut 50,000 jobs from any government department and you get screams of horror and outrage. Cut DHS? Cut HHS? Cut any group by 10% or more, and the Democrats especially scream outrage.

    Announce you are cutting the military by 10%? Either cheers or yawns.

    Yet they do not seem to understand that this amounts to layoffs. We have lost a Marine Regiment in the last 8 years, no more money or manpower to keep it operational, so it was disbanded.

    A great many ships have been scrapped, no money to maintain or sailors to operate them.

    Same with aircraft. Oh, we still have them, largely sitting because they do not work.

    Ironically, I have been laid off this way 2 times now. First in 1993, when the Clinton cuts put me out and into civies. I rejoined in 2007, only to be put on the bench again in 2012. 3/4 of the way to retirement (15 years active duty).

    Imagine how much Democrats would scream bloody murder if some bureau-rat Union member was laid off 5 years from retirement. But if it's the military, who cares? They are mindless thugs anyways, good riddance to them.

    Ironically, just yesterday I met with the career planner. I can literally retire next year, but retiring from the Reserves means I do not collect anything until I turn 60. So I am watching to see what the numbers do. If I can, I hope to instead go back to active duty. That way I only have to do 5 more years, and when I retire I can collect my pension immediately instead of waiting until I am 60.

    So instead I will be retiring at... 57. :roflol:
     
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    Obama's military layoffs are affecting our training. We used to have Ranger battalion liaisons that trained our soldiers in leadership and mountain warfare. The entire program was cut due to funding. That was essential training in pre-mob for Afghanistan. That training saves lives
     
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    But wait, I thought we were not going to be fighting in Afghanistan!

    I mean, that is what the President promised when he took office, right?
     
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    I have suggested changing the VA health system from being a provider to an insurer instead, kinda like Medicare. Let veterans go where they wish for health care, and the VA pays for it.
     
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    He sure did. And we're currently in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Now he added Syria.
     
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    Will not work.

    To start with, the majority who get care from the VA get a very limited level of care, restricted to the injury or disability that they acquired in the military in the first place.

    At this time, my only VA rating is 10% for a right knee injury. Now how in the hell are they going to cover my right knee? And if the injury then spreads to other parts of my body, like my left knee (already has) and back, who makes the decisions to cover those as well?

    That alone requires a bureaucracy to process these expansions, and to examine the individuals to see if the expansion is warranted.

    Which means, another VA.

    Nice idea, might work for the small percentage that have almost complete disability. But other than that, it would not work.
     

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